Kudos to MMs

Discussion in 'Chit Chat' started by nitro, Oct 23, 2008.

  1. nitro

    nitro

    Calibrated FV, 1199.70. FV 1343.64. SPX @ 1,197.61.

    Calibrated FV and SPX have converged.
     
    #3521     Aug 29, 2011
  2. nitro

    nitro

    "SUCCESS is counted sweetest
    By those who ne'er succeed.
    To comprehend a nectar
    Requires sorest need.

    Not one of all the purple host
    Who took the flag to-day
    Can tell the definition,
    So clear, of victory,

    As he, defeated, dying,
    On whose forbidden ear
    The distant strains of triumph
    Break, agonized and clear." - Emily Dickinson
     
    #3522     Aug 29, 2011
  3. nitro

    nitro

    Bit surprised by the boldness of this buying. That said, if you are looking at markets from a five year perspective, 1200, 1100, what difference does it make, when SPX might be 1700 in five years.

    Still, a bit bold...
     
    #3523     Aug 29, 2011
  4. or 700 in five years, you might want to add. saw the Nikkei's chart from 1990 to 2007 ?
     
    #3524     Aug 29, 2011
  5. nitro

    nitro

    Sure it is possible, but I am in the camp that believes the DOW will be at 20,000 in the next few years.
     
    #3525     Aug 29, 2011
  6. nitro

    nitro

    At close, Calibrated FV 1271.81. FV 1349.51.

    Monster move in calibrated FV.
     
    #3526     Aug 29, 2011
  7. nitro

    nitro

    Calibrated FV 1249.71. FV 1340.77.
     
    #3527     Aug 30, 2011
  8. nitro

    nitro

    I now have a very rough form of the GDP weighted FV model. The results surprised me a bit. What I have found is that the value of FV becomes sensitive to the initial condition that we input as GDP. For example, I get a continuum of FV from ~1189 to about ~1260, depending on the odds of a recession and therefore GDP estimates. Raw is 1337.38. If I enter lower GDP numbers, FV drops even more dramatically, around 1050.

    This range is too big for the time frame that I am hoping to use FV model for, but it may be ok for longer than one year investment horizons. On the other hand, I could continuously estimate the odds of recession on each indicator announcement, but that seems curve fitting. It is probably what the market itself does though! Remember, I am hoping to lead the market, not follow it.

    I may start giving three FVs, the lower range, the higher range, and raw, but even I am beginning to doubt myself in this endeavor. In the absence of recession doubts, those three numbers should converge. Now I clearly understand why markets swing wildly on uncertainty - the mathematics gives you a range you can drive a truck through and you are just guessing. Therefore, VIX at 30 ish is probably FV.
     
    #3528     Aug 30, 2011
  9. what about taking next quarter gdp estimates, or current annualized estimates. What is fair value for example with flat 2011 gdp?
     
    #3529     Aug 30, 2011
  10. nitro

    nitro

    I will answer this later.
     
    #3530     Aug 31, 2011