Knowing when not to trade.

Discussion in 'Trading' started by Runningbear, Mar 7, 2003.

  1. qdz2

    qdz2

    thank you for starting the thread for us.

    :p
     
    #11     Mar 7, 2003
  2. nitro

    nitro

    Errrr,

    There _may_ be several minutes during the day when I don't take a trade. Otherwise, the whole day looks good to me.

    nitro
     
    #12     Mar 7, 2003
  3. Good thread... and you have denoted something that few are capable of doing for very long... and that's an EDGE one can create for themselves; knowing when to sit with what you got (even just cash). It was something that took me years to learn; and it's paid off. You gotta know when and IF to back it up and whether to use an SUV, Van or 18-wheeler, or just a wheelbarrow. There are many threads on ET about great systems... and finding an EDGE, but seldom do you hear someone assert that PATIENCE is THE greatest edge for a good trader.

    After doing this for many years I am completely convinced that those who can wait for the very high probability trade(s) will make steady and good money all year... while some others would be better off playing video games to kill the flames.

    Being primarily a position and swing trader conditions one to longer time frames... and typically larger profits in $, and %. Thus some days I am bored silly... and look to music, exercise, research, charting, surfing, emailing and some phone calls to fill the days. Still keep an eye on things... but just don't move my hands if not absolutely necessary.

    Same applies to day trading. Better to make one great trade... then assuage one's need for action by envisioning a setup every hour, where there is but an illusion created by boredom... and more likely... impatience!

    Iceman:cool:
     
    #13     Mar 7, 2003
  4. lundy

    lundy

    I actually like days like today. Lots of whipsaws. Good for pivot trading, bad for indicators.

    The kind of days I don't like are the ones that keep going and going in one direction, and never stop, just going slowly up or down..
     
    #14     Mar 7, 2003
  5. oh sorry, I didn't realize this was an old thread. I thought it said March 7, 2003. 180 point swing in the Dow. I don't remember March 7, 2002, sounds like it must have been a flat day.
     
    #15     Mar 7, 2003
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    #16     Mar 7, 2003
  7. Just a question of probability: market is coiling 70% of the time. When one understand that it is rational to think taking position only in a narrow window. If opportunity was every second it would be too easy. Now it depends on the time frame. On scalp or micro-swing there are many opportunities in a single day whatever day it is. And a day like this is the most easy day on some system at least on mine since it predicted a bottom 7572 on daily scale and 7556 on hourly scale. Whereas when the market is consolidating (on my model it means following the blue line instead of the green line) the target is less evident but sometimes also forecastable depending on the complexity of the lines.


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    #17     Mar 7, 2003
  8. prox

    prox

    I only trade when the NQ and ES are both forming nearly identical setups. Divergence between the two will just result in chop.
     
    #18     Mar 10, 2003
  9. Its more important that we determine when or when not to trade based on our own mental, and psychological conditions, rather than market conditions. :D
     
    #19     Mar 10, 2003
  10. 1. what's the difference between "mental" and "psychological" conditions...

    2. do you really mean "rather than" market conditions, or "in addition to"?

    3. Can you explain what you mean by what you state.
     
    #20     Mar 10, 2003