I read Andrasnm reply. First, what do you mean Kanter quit? He is as active as ever. Or was when I left a month ago or so. I still am confused as to when the last time you looked at the tapes or have been associated with ETG. Your info is real old. Do you trade now? You seem to have indicated elsewhere that you are a consultant. So, you don't trade, you just tell everyone else what is and isn't? Seems to me if you were good at trading you wouldn't need this consulting profession, you would trade for a living. Maybe that is too simple. Do you trade? Your own money or sucking off someone else? Full time? I am amazed that you spend so much time on these boards when you aren't even involved. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that ETG is the best thing out there. They do a very good job and are by far the most professional firm in this industry. They are on the higher side of costs, but not unreasonable. The tapes give you good solid principles to base your trading on. They are not a system if you are looking for "THE ANSWER."