Killing the Creator

Discussion in 'Religion and Spirituality' started by Jack.Yarn, Aug 23, 2017.

  1. Just like the video above on entropy, this one is also beautifully done on Planck's Constant. Must see.

     
    #11     Aug 26, 2017
  2. stu

    stu

    Oh, no beef really but now that you mention it , the laws of physics already support your metaphorical thread title so just not sure what Penrose's CCC / Ligo might do in that regard which isn't already done.
     
    #12     Aug 27, 2017
  3. No it doesn't. The current scientific theories of creation have no idea how you get such a low entropy initial state called the singularity.

    CCCs get around that, which is what led Penrose to it in the first place. The apparent violation of the entire universe at the beginning of time of the SLOT.
     
    #13     Aug 27, 2017
  4. Trump even has a theory of the universe named after him:

     
    #14     Aug 27, 2017
  5. stu

    stu

    Current scientific theory explains how the singularity was an inevitable consequence of the laws of physics. If that isn't "Killing the Creator" don't know what would be.

    CCC doesn't get around singularity. It proposes the universe consists of aeons, immeasurably long periods of time, each punctuated with a big bang singularity.
     
    #15     Aug 27, 2017
  6. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Since we're talking about physics...I have a question.

    Which gives you a better return on a dollar spent for electricity?
    A bitcoin mining operation.... or high compression grow lights?
     
    #16     Aug 27, 2017
  7. jem

    jem

    thanks for correcting stu on this...
    he has a big bias in these discussions as I might... but I try and present the science as the scientists present it.


    he always slants the science towards random creation until you pin him down and then he backpedals and bullshits to the thread goes away.




     
    #17     Aug 28, 2017
  8. You are both guilty of being blinded by your own cults.

    Imagine how much more interesting this journey would be for both of you if instead of having some sort of preconceived belief, instead you simply followed the current theory, wherever it took us.

    Fact is stranger than fiction, especially when it comes to Origins.
     
    #18     Aug 28, 2017
  9. jem

    jem

    what you wrote here does not follow...
    According to penrose the intial state of our universe is very special and very improbable.
    He states it is extreme fine tuning. I have shown him saying that in a lecture to you many times.

    even in the video the host says... it sort of points to a Creator. Penrose says he prefers to work with a scientific view...

    So he has theorized a way that our universe could be so special after a big bang. CCC.



     
    #19     Aug 28, 2017
  10. jem

    jem

    I know the difference between science and faith.

    In fact if you are nitro I believe I am the person who pointed all this about penrose and fine tuning out to you on this board years ago.

    To your credit... although you ignored my links each time I presented them to you... and did not admit to the science then you did learn and come back a new handle.

     
    #20     Aug 28, 2017