Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate - 2004 article

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Savant, Apr 21, 2011.

  1. #61     Apr 22, 2011
  2. Mnphats

    Mnphats

    #62     Apr 22, 2011
  3. I just showed you evidence from snopes as to why the referenced article is false.

    I am still waiting for you to show any evidence as to why Hawaii's position is false and not to be trusted.



     
    #63     Apr 22, 2011
  4. jem

    jem

    since we are working on vocabulary...

    can you say non sequitor....

    your link is not germaine to the choice of the spurious statement above.
     
    #64     Apr 22, 2011
  5. jem

    jem

    this is for optional zzz but in a way I am putting that chart into perspective.

    of course it can be true.
    Tax receipts went up after Reagan cut taxes.
    That is a historical fact. And we are not just talking about capital gains taxes...

    finally in terms of economic concepts
    of course it can be true.

    tax vs. revenue is a curve.

    if you had 100 percent tax and close to zero activity... of course cutting to a 20 percent tax would increase activity and thereby revenue.
     
    #65     Apr 22, 2011
  6. The spurious statement related to your conclusion that cutting taxes produces increased revenues, which is not factually based.

    The conclusion is spurious over the course of a business cycle, which is why Reagan raised taxes many times.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20030729-503544.html



     
    #66     Apr 22, 2011
  7. Can be true, and claiming it is true is quite a different.

    Claiming it is true, when it could just as easily be false or a coincidence or due to a variety of other of factors, is drawing a spurious conclusion.

    Our current tax rates, which are historically on the low end, and not solving the problem...now are they?





     
    #67     Apr 22, 2011
  8. jem

    jem

    I do not see taxes as historically low... they are incredibly high when you add them all up... but the problem is spending. spending has gone crazy? The fed is debasing our currency partially causing gas prices and other goods to act like a tax on our economy.

    Our economy is being destroyed by spending.
    Spending is so strong that there is a disincentive to work and pay taxes.. Why take a 10 dollar an hour job when you can get 1800 a month for doing nothing?
     
    #68     Apr 22, 2011
  9. jem

    jem

    from your article...


    It's important to note that Reagan's tax increases did not wipe out the effects of that initial tax cut. But they did eat up about half of it.
     
    #69     Apr 22, 2011
  10. Exactly. The part about the effects of Quant Easing acting as an additional tax on the taxpayer are always overlooked. Perpetual ZIRP combined with a higher cost of living are a tremendous tax and that doesn't even include all of these various "lifestyle taxes" that crop up every few years when they need to raise more revenue. I've seen some anecdotal calculations from people who total up ALL of the taxes they pay in a year, not just at the state and federal levels, but the sales taxes, liquor taxes, soft drink taxes, utility taxes, hotel, airline, etc, etc...The total tax burden is extremely high and unlike the 1970s when we had sky high inflation, the saver can't earn a dime in conservative investments. Back then you could get a return in excess of 10% in short term bills and such, now 1% if you are lucky.

    All of this really only scratches the surface and goes far beyond the usual two party bickering. I can also allude to the ridiculous gap between executive pay and the typical worker, but that's really the side effects of a monetary policy that has just been a perpetual asset reflation scheme. The real economy pays the price for all these bullshit monetary schemes.
     
    #70     Apr 22, 2011