Karen the "Supertrader"

Discussion in 'Wall St. News' started by drmark27, Dec 10, 2012.


  1. Assume in 2008 she had 1m;
    assume in 2011 she had 40m (the video claimed that in 3 years she turned 750-800k into 41m);

    There are 35 months in 3 years;

    assume her monthly return is x;

    then we have (1 + x)exp36 = 40;

    solving ;

    thus x=0.108; or she makes 10.8% consistently on average every month for 36 months;

    she uses strangle; thus each side makes 5.4% each month on average for 36 months;

    she sells options on indices, say SPY. Current SPY is $161 and 5.4% is $8.69; and in order to have $8.69 call or put, do you have to be in or out of money?

    Now, tell me it is possible to get OUT of money , one month out, $8.69 option on SPY as she claims? (Same analysis for SPX)

    I am more easily convinced if, on several occasions, she bought a few million far out of the money options that became in-the-money.

    Either way, she is just lucky.

    Or am I drunk and my math is all screwed?
     
    #201     Jun 27, 2013
  2. clacy

    clacy

    I haven't followed this thing closely, but have we ever heard a differentiation between how much of her fund came from trading performance versus new money? They seemed to always be very vague about that point when I listened to her youtube
     
    #202     Jun 27, 2013
  3. jys78

    jys78

    They're including contributions in those totals i.e. it's not all "returns".
     
    #203     Jun 27, 2013
  4. jerry2dt

    jerry2dt

    It's been awhile since seeing the videos but pretty sure she's selling strangles so relying strictly on Theta (time decay). However you figure the return, you need to relate the return to the size of her account, not the price of SPY. Let's say one has a 100,000 account and at the end of a year you've grown same to $110k. 10% return, right? Doesn't matter if you were in SPY,AAPL,GOOG or 15 others. Has nada to do with prices.

    A quick look today at SPY shows you can sell a strangle with about a 75% chance of OTM consisting of 1x2 puts/calls expires JUL 20th (23days). . Adjustments? No way to calc how this would effect the trade...

    Each one puts $94 into your acct so, 94/23x365=$1491. This trade ties up
    $5150 of buying power so 1491/5150=28.99% ARR. Excluding commish pf course. Weeklies would boost the return I believe.

    AAPL currently much better for this if you do the math and stay away from earnings date. As previously pointed out, if my math is crazy, point same out.

    Regards,

    Jerry
     
    #204     Jun 27, 2013
  5. status1

    status1

    It's hard to tell exactly what she is doing because she did not exactly say it The devil is in the details
    She says she is selling out of the money puts ok and what else ?
    she did not say
    She may have done strangles but I don't think she did that in the spx because that eats up a lot of buying power
    If I were to guess I would say spreads
    Although you have to sell a lot of spreads if it's only $5 wide but that far out you could probably sell wider spreads to reduce your commissions
    You could get 30 cents for a $5 wide spread so if you had a 100 k account and you put up 50% like she says for 50k you could get 100 spreads and collect $3000 so if you can do that every month for a year that's more than 50% return Of course you have to subtract commissions but still not a bad return
    One thing I did not hear her say and the guy did not ask her is when does she close the trade
    Is it a month later ? if that is the case she would not get the full premium since she has to buy it back and it still has some value and also another round of commissions
    If she waits till expiration than she can only trade 6 months out of the year so that will reduce the profits by half
     
    #205     Jun 29, 2013
  6. jerry2dt

    jerry2dt

    I'll have to take time to watch her videos again and take notes. Try to ferret out what she actually said. And then there's the more recent gal on Tasty T who has the wealthy husband and is doing somewhat the same thing..

    Jerry
     
    #206     Jun 30, 2013
  7. SHE CLEARLY MENTIONS NO SPREADS BUT NAKED . . CREDIT SPREADS ALSO EAT UP MARGIN...
     
    #207     Jun 30, 2013
  8. totally legit, makes millions daily with no risk, Ive seen it.
     
    #208     Jul 1, 2013
  9. jerry2dt

    jerry2dt

    Bullshit. Hope you're kidding... That Delta .09 will be your Tsunami... Assuming no adjustments along the way that is....
     
    #209     Jul 1, 2013
  10. SteveH

    SteveH

    During the flash crash, there's no way their short put positions didn't get overrun and assignments occurred beyond their control. To not explain what happened in detail on a day like that when no retail platform could respond at that pace to the downside wreaks of fraud.
     
    #210     Jul 1, 2013