Justice Roberts: I Am A Coward

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AAAintheBeltway, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Hilarious! You have never seen me emotional. Nothing you say is even remotely profound enough to achieve escape velocity.
     
    #41     Jun 28, 2012
  2. Ricter

    Ricter

    Hilarity is an emotion.
     
    #42     Jun 28, 2012
  3. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/steph...tax-increase-obama-i-absolutely-reject-notion

    From ABC

    STEPHANOPOULOS: You were against the individual mandate…

    OBAMA: Yes.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: …during the campaign. Under this mandate, the government is forcing people to spend money, fining you if you don’t. How is that not a tax?

    OBAMA: Well, hold on a second, George. Here — here’s what’s happening. You and I are both paying $900, on average — our families — in higher premiums because of uncompensated care. Now what I’ve said is that if you can’t afford health insurance, you certainly shouldn’t be punished for that. That’s just piling on. If, on the other hand, we’re giving tax credits, we’ve set up an exchange, you are now part of a big pool, we’ve driven down the costs, we’ve done everything we can and you actually can afford health insurance, but you’ve just decided, you know what, I want to take my chances. And then you get hit by a bus and you and I have to pay for the emergency room care, that’s…

    STEPHANOPOULOS: That may be, but it’s still a tax increase.

    OBAMA: No. That’s not true, George. The — for us to say that you’ve got to take a responsibility to get health insurance is absolutely not a tax increase. What it’s saying is, is that we’re not going to have other people carrying your burdens for you anymore than the fact that right now everybody in America, just about, has to get auto insurance. Nobody considers that a tax increase. People say to themselves, that is a fair way to make sure that if you hit my car, that I’m not covering all the costs.

    STEPHANOPOULOS: But it may be fair, it may be good public policy…

    OBAMA: No, but — but, George, you — you can’t just make up that language and decide that that’s called a tax increase. Any…

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Here’s the…

    OBAMA: What — what — if I — if I say that right now your premiums are going to be going up by 5 or 8 or 10 percent next year and you say well, that’s not a tax increase; but, on the other hand, if I say that I don’t want to have to pay for you not carrying coverage even after I give you tax credits that make it affordable, then…

    STEPHANOPOULOS: I — I don’t think I’m making it up. Merriam Webster’s Dictionary: Tax — “a charge, usually of money, imposed by authority on persons or property for public purposes.”

    OBAMA: George, the fact that you looked up Merriam’s Dictionary, the definition of tax increase, indicates to me that you’re stretching a little bit right now. Otherwise, you wouldn’t have gone to the dictionary to check on the definition. I mean what…

    STEPHANOPOULOS: Well, no, but…

    OBAMA: …what you’re saying is…

    STEPHANOPOULOS: I wanted to check for myself. But your critics say it is a tax increase.

    OBAMA: My critics say everything is a tax increase. My critics say that I’m taking over every sector of the economy. You know that. Look, we can have a legitimate debate about whether or not we’re going to have an individual mandate or not, but…

    STEPHANOPOULOS: But you reject that it’s a tax increase?

    OBAMA: I absolutely reject that notion.


    (follow the link for the video)
     
    #43     Jun 28, 2012
  4. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    No, it's just a word on a message forum.
     
    #44     Jun 28, 2012
  5. No, Dred Scott was a scotus decision, but it was later overturned by another scotus decision.

    It is an evolutionary process.

    Life. Liberty. Pursuit.

    Healthcare falls under Life.
     
    #45     Jun 28, 2012
  6. Doors:D
     
    #46     Jun 28, 2012
  7. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    Would it surprise you to know that I am not against the concept of Universal Healthcare?

    My two concerns with it are simply:

    1. You cannot constitutionally force someone to purchase healthcare. (calling it a tax is mentally insane)
    2. How in hell to pay for it.

    Would it be nice to provide everyone the ability to cover themselves with insurance to assure they get medical treatment? Of course.

    But 9 men and women that are politically appointed to the highest court of the land do not represent what is "right" in my book. Even if they get it right sometimes by accident.
     
    #47     Jun 28, 2012
  8. No, Tsing, it would not. I know what you are, which is why I left you off my welcome dirge to the newbie a few days ago.

    You are a Paleo-Liberal. America was founded on Liberalism.

    I get what you are saying, but it is the best system going that we have. If you have a better idea how to do things, I'm all ears. So far, no one has been able to do better than our founders.

    BTW, if you read back, they did predict all of this, you know.
     
    #48     Jun 28, 2012
  9. Ricter

    Ricter

    Not that I much understand healthcare, luckily I have rarely needed any, but...

    1. Tend to agree. What, if I run off to Alaska, build a cabin, and hunt and trap "off he grid", I still accrue a healthcare bill every year?
    2. Costs must not exceed revenues. I suppose the theory here is that the total new revenues will exceed the total new costs. Probably true if most of the new revenues come from young people--pre existing conditions should be comparatively scarce amongst them. Yes, I think we might be compelling the young to care for the old.
     
    #49     Jun 28, 2012
  10. Tsing Tao

    Tsing Tao

    The best system going still is unaffordable. You're not as lost as Krugman or Ricter and think we can just keep piling on the debt. I would support universal healthcare if it could be paid for. But it cannot be.
     
    #50     Jun 28, 2012