Justice Roberts: I Am A Coward

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AAAintheBeltway, Jun 28, 2012.

  1. FWIW, a penalty is clearly not a tax. Otherwise littering fines, speeding fines etc would be taxes, instead of fines. Fines are punitive by intent, taxes are just there to raise revenue, or in some cases to apportion cost to socially harmful behaviours (e.g. taxing polluting activities more than green activities; taxing cigarettes more than fresh fruit etc).

    Judge Roberts' reasoning is clearly nonsense, regardless of your political views.
     
    #111     Jun 29, 2012
  2. Ricter

    Ricter

    Lol.

    "Now here's David Brooks, who rightly thinks there's a lot that's wrong with the basic way health care is delivered in the United States:

    Liberals tend to argue that major structural changes can be made within the framework of Obamacare. Republicans tend to believe that the perverse incentives can only be corrected if we repeal Obamacare and move to a defined-benefit plan — if we get rid of the employer tax credit and give people subsidies to select their own plans within regulated markets.

    "In other words, Brooks wants to repeal Obamacare and replace it with . . . Obamacare. Or rather with a more vigorously implemented version of Obamacare."
     
    #112     Jun 29, 2012
  3. I've always thought a lot of fines and penalties were back door taxes. Guess ol judge Roberts is correct in his thinking.
     
    #113     Jun 29, 2012

  4. LOL !!!
     
    #114     Jun 29, 2012
  5. bingo

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lFdisFGSBz0
     
    #115     Jun 29, 2012
  6. jem

    jem

    1. you seem to be arguing that justices should take their personal opinions out and find according to the law or the constitution. Which sounds like strict construction or original intent. Dems hate that idea just ask Judge Bork.


    2. Now, penalty vs tax... This is a good argument.

    here is the other side....

    If the govt gets lobbied by private industry and private industry pretty much says if you wish for us to cover more people we need to make sure we have more revenue. And the govt decides to create more revenue by direct people to pay money to private private industry... is that really not a tax? It's a crooked tax... but its a tax.

    I don't really care about tax vs penalty, the ruling makes an abortion of jurisprudence.


     
    #116     Jun 29, 2012
  7. Okay, I will give you small business, and the churches, and argi/horticulture, and energy.

    Boy scouts and military are about to reverse their cultural bans on gays. That is distinctly liberal.

    As far as the legal profession goes, we have more people locked up for non-violent crimes than any other nation on earth. That does not sound very liberal to me.
     
    #117     Jun 29, 2012
  8. Ricter

    Ricter

    Can't win 'em all, gents. You won Citizens United, be happy.
     
    #118     Jun 29, 2012
  9. Blame the state and federal legislatures, not the legal profession, for the War on Drugs. I would suppose most lawyers would favor decriminalization of most drugs. I do and I am hardly liberal.
     
    #119     Jun 30, 2012
  10. Would you give up Obamacare if CU would go away also? I'm not sure. The health of our democracy vs the health of the citizens.
     
    #120     Jun 30, 2012