ok.. i am actually becoming irritated with you now. when you start going off on this nutjob tangent i feel like i have wasted my time engaging in a civil discourse with you. what i am defending is THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!! and yes.. i know you weren't saying the video's drivers weren't FLDS females. unlike yourself, i am not slow.
What is not civil about my response to tradernik? He thought maybe people who are in defense of this cult could be christians themselves who feel they need to defend christianity. These are thoughts and speculations, no one saying they are facts. So what is nutjob about expressing thoughts? You speculate above that I am slow. You express your speculations and I did not call you a nutjob becasue of your specualtions about me. ps I am not slow as you speculate. Maybe new at computer technology, but new and slow are two different things.
FLDS attorney challenges Texas count of pregnant minors from polygamous sect By Brooke Adams The Salt Lake Tribune Article Last Updated: 04/26/2008 05:58:12 AM MDT http://www.sltrib.com/polygamy/ci_9056589 SAN ANGELO, Texas - An attorney for FLDS families in Texas challenged the state's allegations of a "pervasive pattern" of underage girls having children, saying the state's own documents show just three teenagers in custody are pregnant. Of those girls, one will turn 18 in a few months and another merely refused to take a pregnancy test, said Rod Parker, a Salt Lake City attorney representing families at the YFZ Ranch. "That leaves us with one," he said. Parker also said Friday that one state document includes a woman whose first child was born more than a decade ago. He said he based his statements on a copy of a list created by an investigator for Texas Child Protective Services. "I challenge CPS to come forward with the pregnant minors," said Parker. Investigator Angie Voss submitted the chart last week during a two-day court hearing to bolster the state's contention that all children at the ranch were at risk of abuse. The state removed 462 children from the Eldorado ranch, owned by the Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, earlier this month. The last children were moved out of the San Angelo Coliseum and Wells Fargo Pavilion on Friday. The children are now in group and foster homes across Texas. The count of children in custody rose again Friday after CPS determined that 25 girls who claimed to be adults are actually minors, said spokesman Chris Van Deusen. That group may overlap with the 20 listed in the court document as pregnant or as mothers, he said. "The only thing we can say is we're aware of 20 young girls who became pregnant when they were between the ages of 13 and 16," Van Deusen said. "That's not to say that there are 20 now, but at the time they conceived they were 13, 14, 15, or 16. "That establishes that there was some sexual abuse here," he said. Van Deusen said the court document may not include minors identified as pregnant or mothers since the court hearing. He also said he could not talk about investigative results that haven't been made public in court or otherwise. One CPS document reviewed by The Salt Lake Tribune lists just three pregnant teenagers. The court document, also reviewed by The Tribune, includes women who became mothers before the FLDS' move to Texas or before the state raised the age of marriage, with parents' permission, from 14 to 16 in 2005. The chart does not indicate whether the women are legally married or the ages of the children's fathers. Among them: One woman, now 30, listed as having given birth to her first child in 1993 when she was 14. A reference to this situation was made by a CPS investigator without explaining when the pregnancy occurred during the two-day court hearing in which Judge Barbara Walther made her decision to keep the children in state custody. Parker said one CPS list shows some of the minors in state custody are or are about to become adults. One girl sent to a Baptist emergency shelter turned 18 nearly two weeks ago, he said. "They need to let those people out," Parker said. Parker also refuted CPS' description of an orderly, calm separation of mothers and children at the coliseum. He said it was "complete pandemonium." As the children, all younger than 5, figured out what was happening, they started screaming and CPS workers had to pry many away from their mothers. "This is inhuman. This is un-American," said Parker, who also said a civil rights lawsuit is possible. He also said CPS assured nursing mothers they would be able to take breast milk to their infants but, as of early Friday, had been given no information on where the children had been taken. They also were told sibling groups would be kept together. Thirteen children from one family were sent to five locations, he said. All the FLDS men and many women, some of whom returned Friday, remain on the ranch. "There is a real singular mind-set at the ranch right now to get these children home," he said.
They also were told sibling groups would be kept together. Thirteen children from one family were sent to five locations, he said. __________________________________ probably would be hard pressed to find a group home that could take 13 kids. Pregnant minors. Is the end of the story or the begining? A pregnant minor @ 13? This could have made her 12 when she decided to have kids. Like I said before, what lessons do these young girls learn even if they are not directly abused but surrounded by it. From a psychological perspective, the girls who are impregnanted or "chosen" or "spiritually married" get all the attention, they are special in this culture. This lack of attention on the others who are not abused/pregnant makes them feel that something is wrong with them.
Just think about this a minute TL. To begin with, these "hard right Christians" Nikkie is speaking of, don't believe any latter day saints are part of Christianity. so it's more likely that this group is the very one who are pushing the issue. I swear, sometimes you sound like you're jealous of these men in the so-called compound.
What is this supposed to mean? What is the point? Wave the constituional banner and established credibility. Now change hats, this is a common strategy. First, gather a following on point A, now use point A credibilty, to attack the entire system, as if understanding one issue qualifies one for other issues.
I am female. I think a girl should have the right to choose who she will marry, if she will marry, and at waht age she will marry. She should also be aware that a man having many wives is not gods creation, but man made. Instead, the cult girls see only this lifestlye and are taught this is waht god wants. He wants you to hae only one husband but your husband will have many wives.. But sometimes you do get the 15 year old girl who is being set up with an elder who has picked her, and her strongest feelings are she does not want to be married to him. And she runs away. Your perspective about jeolously is a mans perspective, I am not a man. If a man wants to have many sex partners, that is fine. But to create a religion to fulfill that desire is wrong. What that religion does is take away the rights of the girls to not be in a plural marriage, and it makes it easier for a man to not have to go search for all these women to have sex with. He will have waht he wants by designing a religion to make women cooperate with his wants, and in doing this he has to convince her it is the only way that it is holy. That is taking away the rights of the girls just by teaching them from a young age that it is the way that god wants it to be. They know nothing else. In this society outside of the compound life, if a man wants to have many girlfriends, he is free to do that, and that is good. But the girls are not forced to be with a man who has many girlfriends. If she wants to she can stay, but she doesn't have to. And she is free to find someone who she loves.
gotta be honest .. you lost me on this one. i have always been critical of texas cps. how did i change hats? here.. read it: http://gosanangelo.com/news/2008/apr/25/lawyers-2-sect-kids-missing/ A Corpus Christi attorney representing two mothers from the Schleicher County polygamist retreat raided this month claims that child welfare authorities cannot account for two boys. The boys, ages 16 months and 11 years, were part of a group of more than 400 removed from their parents' custody this week and bused to foster homes across the state. The last groups left Friday..... Rebecca Flanigan of Corpus Christi, with Texas RioGrande Legal Aid, said the children are not on any of the state's placement lists. She said Child Protective Services has not returned her phone calls or e-mails on the issue..... "They haven't been spirited away," Flanigan said. "They have not been accounted for. Not on any one of CPS's placement lists. We don't know where they are, nor do they know."