Just want to vent about a trade

Discussion in 'Trading' started by heavenskrow, Feb 12, 2020.

  1. comagnum

    comagnum

    Take a look at the Tradestation & Think or Swim chart - price did not pierce the prior reaction high at 162 20/32 like it did on your chart.

    I would take this up with your broker and ask them to negate your stop out. Good luck.


    Tradestation
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    Think or Swim
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    #11     Feb 12, 2020
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  2. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    I don't think he implied it was a "stop out". Thus, when he said he "got out"...he may be talking about a market order. Thus, he just dumped the position there.

    wrbtrader
     
    #12     Feb 12, 2020
  3. %%
    I use colors like co magnum chart, but i use your /my more of moving averages, like yours.ALSO it looks like you are trading with the main trend last time i looked @ a 10 year bond chart, but double check that.ANY LOSS for me almost always means QQQ and or SPY, UPRO has changed from bull /200day trend to bear200 day trend or vice versa.I had a small profit accidently into a loss, TZA, past 7 or 14 days.
    Good thing since , [TZA actually profits off short position on IWM=]i did not keep adding to it like i do UPRO type trends/investments.
    IN other words i trade smaller on a chop=slop short position; than chop slop long which pays better dividends/trends better. ALSO even though floor trader$ use the word ''scratch''= its a loss; me, i dont like the word loss also,so i use the word business expence. I had planned on trading more short term, but still seldom do 'caus of what happened to my + your trade..........................................................................................................
     
    #13     Feb 12, 2020
  4. Handle123

    Handle123

    I read the chart as this, always easier to do after the fact, but chart patterns don't change, price not closing beyond pivots with continuation often suggests range bound or chop, another bite at the apple, longer term Bearish H&S.
     
    #14     Feb 12, 2020
  5. easymon1

    easymon1

    cued blued and tatood
     
    #15     Feb 12, 2020
  6. This is fascinating -- I've thought about trading spreads between the equity indices but for some reason this never occurred to me. Any suggested reading for more about this specific UB/ZB stuff?
     
    #16     Feb 15, 2020
  7. traider

    traider

    Spread trading is not that easy anymore. Most of the products are kept in line by very sophisticated algos so you don't get major divergences. It's twice the comms and also hard to make money on.
     
    #17     Feb 15, 2020
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  8. Real Money

    Real Money

    This idea is what the majority of professionals do. Professionals measure risk using volatility estimates of instruments, and the estimated maximum adverse move against a position.

    By spreading related contracts, instruments that have (ideally) a statistical AND fundamental relation, you are stripping risk out of your trade. Think about the "disaster" or "worst case" scenario for the trade and you will see why huge money is flowing into these ideas. Vast amounts of capital can be deployed into spreads and in a much safer fashion than outright exposure. Institutions trade these for insane size (think 40m, 50m, 100m, and more!).

    This site has all the ratios for rate futures spreads. (very useful for cross hedging)
    https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/interest-rates/intercommodity-spread.html

    If you are talking about trading equity index spreads, these are some I find useful
    (using ThinkorSwim charting formulas)

    40*/NQ-15*/YM (Nasdaq/Dow)
    10*/YM-150*/RTY (Dow/Russell)
    5*/NKD-50*/ES (Nikkei/ES)

    20*/NQ-100*/ES << This one is the most effective cross hedge (intraday)
    50*/ES-5*/YM << Very effective cross hedge (intraday)

    There are so many index spreads it's crazy, ASX200/FTSE100, Eurostoxx50/KOSPI, NIKKEI 225/DOW, NASDAQ/FDAX, etc., etc.

    Know that this is not some fringe thing. This is a smart idea, and can be amazingly profitable.
    Also, spreads can be used to predict the performance of outright instruments.

    Think about it like this. Relative value and relative performance comparisons are used throughout all of finance and markets.

    If currency traders want to figure out if USD is strong, what do they do?

    They look at spreads and USD spread against baskets, eg. USDX.
     
    #18     Feb 15, 2020
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  9. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    The perception of the chart pattern changes although its the same pattern / same chart. Thus, its the reason why chart analysis is so much easier in hindsight instead of in real time when real money is on the line.

    wrbtrader
     
    #19     Feb 16, 2020
  10. should take some profit to secure yourself, depends on support levels or liquidity levels. Bookmap could have been a good help to see were buyers stack and to take some profit there
     
    #20     Feb 18, 2020