Just how liquid is the ES!?!

Discussion in 'Index Futures' started by RangeTrader, Jul 1, 2012.

  1. OP -

    before any planned major news release, like ISM, Unemployment, Jobless Claims, Home Sales, CPI, Retail Sales, etc., the order book thins out DRAMATICALLY so that it's only 100-300 bid/offered ten-deep.

    I think the liquidity is there for those lucky few who can point and click 2000 @ a time. They just use LIMIT orders and hit the liquidity.

    I doubt someone who moves 2000 ES on a click is here reading this and would post their experiences.

    ...But my point is I believe the liquidity is generally there in ES.
     
    #11     Jul 2, 2012
  2. gmst

    gmst


    good point. yes liquidity is there if you hit it, T&S window does show trades > 1000 contracts per clip.
     
    #12     Jul 2, 2012
  3. My main chart is showing the Merkel spike event. There were large blocks on the ask to the upside that vaporized instantly when the spike hit the market.

    Automated market making + Alogo's are half the market.


     
    #13     Jul 2, 2012
  4. Bob111

    Bob111

    I've been saying this for many many years..and you talking about most liquid futures contract..imagine what's going on on stocks..


    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=3560174&highlight=SEC#post3560174
     
    #14     Jul 2, 2012
  5. the1

    the1

    I would agree with all of this, especially L2. It's completely useless.

     
    #15     Jul 2, 2012
  6. gmst

    gmst

    Ammo gives us a good reason for the occurrence of this phantom thickness of ES in the first post on this page.

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=210472&perpage=20&pagenumber=7


    "Algos can, however, quite effectively game Pro-Rata order matching IF they can comply with the price-to-fill ratio messaging policy. However, they all incur risk of ruin. In order to game the Pro-Rata, you have to be capitalized enough to place large order sizes in order to get filled on a much smaller allocation"
     
    #16     Jul 2, 2012
  7. To answer the question,

    ... its liquid enough to make a good living trading and that's all I and most people care about.
     
    #17     Jul 9, 2012
  8. dude come on, if there are a million contracts at every level how the hell do you think the market will ever move a 1 point or 2 points or 3 points in less than 5 hours? lol
     
    #18     Jul 9, 2012
  9. TheBlackHand

    TheBlackHand Guest

    ES is FIFO. Only STIR products are pro-rata
     
    #19     Jul 9, 2012