I do believe the economy should reopen, and would be happy to debate with you on whether it should, but you simply can't admit that government has shut down the economy and this has resulted in removing the ability for people to find a job. You're right, it is a waste of time. You've always shown yourself to be open to discussion and one of the few liberals on this site to accept differing viewpoints. Not sure why this has changed with this virus, but apparently it has. You're right, its a waste of time to discuss if one isn't willing to be honest in their debate. MY MO, as you put it, is all about being honest and logical.
and how many would die if its lifted in September vs how many will die and what damage will be done... keeping it shutdown. If the article is not also discussing the damage being done and the risk of second wave damage... its propaganda.
Many people in this forum have pushed the approach of only locking down high risk people versus all people. The article addresses this specific question and shows that in the U.S. this would drive the number of deaths to 100K rather than the projected 25K level with the current lockdown strategy of all people with a progressive re-opening.
If you die in a car accident with COVID - you die of COVID...you are counted as a COVID death.. If you had lung cancer, COPD, and were terminal...and you die in the hospital with COVID - COVID gotcha... 'Nuff said... Absolute nonsense...
Just a couple points that may have some chance of being correct. I believe the Test the WHO is pushing is the same one the Germans use. In fact I believe the Germans provided it to the WHO. It must be, I would think, a reverse transcriptase PCR test for viral genetic material. It seems if the WHO is providing it, then we are not going to use it in the U.S. We seem to want to use the WHO to blame for our plight, so in that case we could hardly use their help. Actually I think we ourselves, and not the WHO, are responsible for having to totally shut down our country for such an extended period. It would seem we caused our own peculiar version of the Covid problem back in November of 2016. I think that lady that is part of Mr. Jackass Trump's dog and pony show may be emphasizing antibody testing because there is a quick test for corona virus specific IgG or IgM , and it could be used for quick screening, Maybe!. Positives could be followed up with RT PCR. It seems that must be what she is driving at*, but I don't think that would be very satisfactory. The quick immunoglobulin tests are going to give lots of false negatives during the incubation phase, i.e., first few days after infection. I am almost certain of that. In fact I would think that these quick screening tests are only going to be somewhat reliable after at least 5-7 days minimum. That's not going to be nearly good enough if you want to nip the spread in the bud. I think Deutschland has by now scaled up RT PCR to the point they could now test the entire country in less than a year. That's the kind of relative scale-up we need, and should have ready by now. But we don't of course... We have studiously avoided any sort of nationally coordinated effort to ramp up testing -- getting the "guberment" involved would really piss off the Tea Party and the Alt-Right, to say nothing of the NRA. On the other hand, we have been stellar at announcing testing. Just the other day I heard Jackass Trump announce that, "we are doing more testing than all other countries combined." Such fine announcing is quite an accomplishment to be proud of , wouldn't you say? Just my pathetic, commie, lefty, Deep State, Fed and Soros loving opinion, jem. ________________________ *This is not to say that using serology to test everyone wouldn't be useful. It certainly would be useful from an epidemiology standpoint.
interesting you called me out... you soros loving, central bank loving... you may wish to read this... I am not saying you are wrong because maybe I did not fully understand what you were saying... but it seems Germany is going to rely on apps and testing the sick and care givers. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-drosten-germany-coronavirus-expert-interview Q: Should all countries be testing everybody? A: I’m not sure. Even in Germany, with our huge testing capacity, and most of it directed to people reporting symptoms, we have not had a positivity rate above 8%. So I think targeted testing might be best, for people who are really vulnerable – staff in hospitals and care homes, for example. This is not fully in place even in Germany, though we’re moving towards it. The other target should be patients in the first week of symptoms, especially elderly patients who tend to come to hospital too late at the moment – when their lips are already blue and they need intubation. And we need some kind of sentinel surveillance system, to sample the population regularly and follow the development of the reproduction number. much more at the link.
Totally agree. We should all be using the tracing app on our phones in conjunction with wide spread testing. Right now, we, in aggregate, are doing neither!. The testing should be done in priority order. The correct priority order is a matter of some disagreement.
The U.S. states need both widely available testing and contact tracing to successfully open up. Germany and South Korea have both provided the best model for doing this. Having an approach with full contact tracing reduces the number of tests that are necessary since you are testing a targeted population of people rather then randomly testing across the entire nation' population.