You seem awful in a hurry to know You're thirsty for knowledge... I like that. I'll let you know when I find the resources again.
So you made a statement that your not sure is true or not??? You need to go research it......Im trying to make the point that much of what we do is based on faith in what we read
HA HA, you're funny. I said that I did read this material years ago. It's not just of the top of my head or something that I need to research. Those readings are not the sole base to my beliefs. I hope you have more depth than what you presume others have.
You are a disgrace to all TM monikers all over ET! ...BTW, Im thinking of bringing a suit up against you for trademark infringement...I used TM long before you arrived....Well, I hope you do your research and post your findings here next week, i really do....I love these types of debates and believe they actually strengthen my belief and faith......Im off for the weekend now so may God continue to bless the USA, and especially the ROCK and You LOL!!!...Seriously though, great discussion everybody and hardly any name calling...have a good weekend! peace
Yeah, I'm not sure just what Kristof was thinking making a reference to Islam that doesn't portray it in the most glowing light. His lib buddies aren't going to like that one. I expect a full page retraction with multiple references to Columbia professors proving how Islam is really the most peaceful religion of all time. Any day now. As a side note, as a reformed atheist (though not a Christian) I can assure you that science has certainly not "nailed down" the nature of evolution nor is it able to come to grips with -- and thus just casually dismisses -- the teleogical implications of it. But the nature of the universe's origins are beside the point here. Whatever they are, I find it hard to see how it justifies the constant pounding that libs give Christians. It's even more ridiculous when you compare the qualities and values of Christians -- love, family unity, social cohesion, law, justice -- with the groups they endlessly express their unabashed admiration for.
I have to ask a question: what is the agenda of a) the religious right and b) the Atheist radicals? Seems like they both devote a lot of time toward a) putting up these statues and b) taking them back down Im questioning the motivation of both......seems like they both are after something.????
AAAintheBeltway posted in part: " "Get the religious [stuff] out of government" might get you a round of applause at an ACLU meeting but it is totally out of step with the history and traditions of this country. The Founders were heavily influenced by religion, and many of the religious traditions incorporated in our government originated with them. The First Amendment bars two things regarding religion: "an establishment of religion" and "restricting the free exercise thereof." The first prohibition bars a state church or a religious test for office. It has never been interpreted to mean that any trace of religious faith or expression must be cleansed from government. The 10 Commandments case does not involve federal property at all. It involves a state courthouse. The chief judge had a monument erected that was intended to reflect the 10 Commandments' influence as a source of morally based law. Predictably, groups that want to expunge religion from our public life objected and found some judge who ordered it taken down. A three judge federal appeals court agreed. The state judge has refused to comply. " There is an interesting piece of architecture in the U.S. House Chamber. I was fortunate to be able to sit in the Speaker's Chair several times and look at it. As the Speaker or anyone speaking from the well of the chamber looks out and up, he sees facing him in bas-relief (I think that is the correct term) the faces of 23 lawgivers. 22 of them face to the side and the one in the middle going eyeball to eyeball with the speaker is none other than the guy who went up the hill for the currently controversial 10 Commandments (no not Charlton Heston), Moses. I don't see much difference in having him in the very place where we make our laws than having the commandments placed in the courts where the legal process is carried out. A lot of our laws derive from religion. FYI- the other 22 are and a best estimate of when they lived: Hammurabi c. 1792-1750 B.C. Moses c. 1350-1250 B.C. Saint Louis 1214-1270 Lycurgus c. 900 B.C. Solon c. 638-599 B.C. Gaius c. 110-180 Papinian c. 146-212 Justinian I c. 483-565 Tribonian c. 500-547 Maimonides c. 1135-1204 Gregory IX c. 1147-1241 Innocent III 1161-1216 Simon de Montfort 1200-1265 Alfonso X 1221-1284 Edward I 1239-1307 Suleiman 1494-1566 Hugo Grotius 1583-1645 Jean Baptiste Colbert 1619-1683 Robert Joseph Pothier 1699-1772 Sir William Blackstone 1723-1780 George Mason 1726-1792 Thomas Jefferson 1743-1826 Napoleon I 1769-1821 Note, the list is far from devoid of major religious figures, and includes a Jewish philosopher, as well as a couple of Popes. Hardly devoid of religion. DS