i am still not sure if that is a contradicting each other. i find hagelin et al's claim to produce and publish statistical research on what they are doing very down to earth. i am meditating, though not TM. i know, on my low and therefore limited scale the effects of doing so. i could imagine there is much more to it. at all times the crowd, even the scientific crowd, was willing to ban new concepts as stupid wishful thinking. i would think einsteine faced that. as well as schrodinger, dirac, heisenberg, bohr, ... you name them. now, on the other hand, at all times there have been fools who had fantasy claims that were plain ... fantasy. ERP seems to point in the very direction, hagelin is working in. but i am not a physicist at all, so cannot really follow the details of such a debate at all. and i mean, hagelin is not a fool. and he is not the only one adding consciousness to the equation.