John Edwards

Discussion in 'Politics' started by goodscalp, Feb 19, 2004.

  1. Badly handled? Well, it differed a bit from the typical Republican reaction to election fraud, which is to wring their hands and accept "defeat", much as John Ashcroft did when his reelection bid was marred by vote fraud.

    This is a typical liberal formulation however. If Republicans don't immediately surender to whatever insanity is being proposed, they are obviously being divisive and "partisan."
     
    #11     Feb 20, 2004
  2. Not obviously, but in many instances they are.

     
    #12     Feb 20, 2004
  3. Didn't Gore's tally at the end count top Bush'es by about 500,000? Isn't this a fact?

    If yes, you know why I think the election was a joke.
     
    #13     Feb 20, 2004

  4. not in florida......you can't just go by popular vote...or Cal, Fl, NY and Texas would decide every election...with NY and Cali flexing the most muscle.
     
    #14     Feb 20, 2004
  5. but the majority of the popular vote was for gore by more than half a million. I know what the ellectoral college is and how it came to be and why, though it's a bunch of crap. but gore won the popular vote.


    what was the outcome of the ellectoral college voting?
     
    #15     Feb 20, 2004
  6. Among other things, the outcome of the electoral voting is high oil prices, the rich get richer, huge budget deficits, and many soldiers and civillians died on the basis of "faulty" intelligence.

     
    #16     Feb 20, 2004
  7. don't know for sure if this is all true but if it is....many have explaining to do


    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to
    develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
    That is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
    We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass
    destruction program."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "Iraq is a long way from [the USA], but what happens there matters a great deal
    here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,
    chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest
    security threat we face."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times
    since 1983."
    - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.
    Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate,
    air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to
    the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
    programs."
    - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,
    Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass
    destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he
    has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass
    destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

    "There is no doubt that .. Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons
    programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
    continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam
    continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a
    licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten
    the United States and our allies."
    - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,)
    and others, December 5, 2001

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a
    threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the
    mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction
    and the means of delivering them."
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical
    weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to
    deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in
    power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing
    weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are
    confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and
    biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to
    build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence
    reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority
    to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe
    that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real
    and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively
    to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the
    next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated
    the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

    "He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every
    significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
    chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has
    refused to do"
    - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that
    Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons
    stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has
    also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members
    . It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to
    increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare,
    and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam
    Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for
    the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
    murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a
    particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
    miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his
    continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
    ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
     
    #17     Feb 20, 2004
  8. was yes for gore wasn't it?


    that's an interesting bunch of letters tm.
     
    #18     Feb 20, 2004

  9. Again, I don't know for sure if those are true....but some where along the line ( if they are) there was really bad info being spread...regarding the vote...I don;t know if i really like the idea of the electoral college or not....as a Floridian its nice to have a big say in the election....on the other hand, its also a concern that a solid core block in the south ( reagan republicans as they were once known) can render California and NY worthless....you could have 20 million people from those states vote one way and have it not really count more then 2 million from 6 states in the south
     
    #19     Feb 20, 2004
  10. Arnie

    Arnie

    I enter this fray reluctantly. First off, GWB won the Florida recount. Read all about it here....

    http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/florida.ballots/stories/main.html

    Secondly, what the supreme court did is stop the Florida Court from legislating from the bench. You don't change the rules half way through. There were and are very specific guidlines for a recount. The Fla Court changed these rules by judicial fiat. If any court in this whole affair was partisan, it was the Fla Court. The Supreme Court righted a very serious wrong.

    What the Dems wanted was a selective recount of the counties they felt they carried and at the same time a denial of absentee ballots from mostly overseas military, mostly Bush supporters.
     
    #20     Feb 20, 2004