Joe Biden - The Fake President

Discussion in 'Politics' started by TreeFrogTrader, Nov 8, 2020.

  1. Yeh sure. You and your ilk have the obligatory slide program you roll out.

    The same one you use generically for others such as Putin. You babble on and on with your slide how about how Trump, similarly according to the ruse, gave Putin everything he wanted.

    Except Putin wanted Crimea and took it under Obama.

    And Putin wanted Ukraine so he waited for Trump to leave office and Biden to come in to make his move under a weaker President.

    Now you play the same slide show with Maduro. Let me give you a clue. Maduro looks to Biden for what he wants. The Iranians looked to Biden for what they want. The PLO looks to Biden for what they want, the Russians looked to Biden for their best shot at what they want. The Mexican cartels look to Biden for what they want etc. etc. Not to Trump. And do not even mention China, but we know the Big Guy gets 10. Not Trump.

    Start thinking and talking like an American- not as a Democrat hack.
     
    #1551     Nov 29, 2022
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  2. Tsing Tao

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    #1552     Nov 29, 2022
  3. I dont think U.S. policy to Cuba should be dictated by 30,000 Cuban Americans living in Florida...its ridiculous already...
     
    #1553     Nov 29, 2022
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  4. Rams Fan

    Rams Fan

    I agree. Beyond ridiculous. But that's America.

    Meanwhile,

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    #1554     Nov 29, 2022
  5. I would stand with them before I would stand with the Cuban regime.

    This is not true for a very large number of democrats. Especially some/many in Congress.
     
    #1555     Nov 29, 2022

  6. So you have a problem with Cuba but not with China....Russia....etc...we do business with China and Russia under both Dem and GOP presidents but you want to fall on your sword over Cuba...

    I never heard you say we should cut all ties off with China and do no business ever with them or condemn trump for having business in Russia...

    but Cuba is where you hypocritically draw the line because.....joe biden?
     
    #1556     Nov 29, 2022

  7. Your comment is kind goofy and unstructured.

    I have all sorts of issues with countries such as China and Russia-even before the war- such that I am willing to undertake trade with them but at the same time not fully embrace and support the regime.

    Such an approach can be considered with Cuba under guarded conditions, but I would not approach it the way some of the well-known leftists in Congress approach it which is to outright voice support and even praise for the Cuban regime.

    Don't be difficult. There might be a common area here for us.
     
    #1557     Nov 29, 2022
  8. But you are not reconciling hte hypocrisy.... you undertake trade with China but dont support the regime. You dont suppor the regime in Cuba but fuck no way we do any trade or lift the embargo?

    30,000 cuban americans forcing an embargo and restrictive policy against Cuba while being open arms with China and Russia is the epitome of hypocrisy in both dem and gop policy. trump decided he needed florida so he went backwards from Obama's opening of tourism in Cuba.

    Undertaking trade with China is no different than embracing the regime since they are behind all of it for the most part. Does not mean you support communism but you do support traidng and having open relations. U.S. aint going to change China.... so why is Cuba headlocked by a teeny tiny group of people when opening trade and relations with Cuba is the better policy for long term trade.

    China is even more capitalist than it was in the 1970s and has more freedoms than the 1970s as part of opening. But Cuba gets shit on repeatedly because... Castro.... Castro is dead.... Cuba has among the better educated population in the Carribbean when taken the whole country into account and is a much better place for industrial growth than China or Mexico.

    Why is it embracing Cuban regimes to do that but not with China?

    the whole message is hypocrtical.

    I can travel to China, Russia and even Iran but I need special permission or exemptions to go to Cuba?? Cuba doesnt even have a real army or military anymore.
     
    #1558     Nov 29, 2022

  9. It is a fact of life that almost every country has to do business with at least some countries that have repugnant regimes- whether it is with China or Russia or Mexico etc and requires a lot of swallowing hard and glossing over considerable repugnance to accomplish some economic need. It is also a fact of life that Cuba does not really produce anything of value to the Americans and their contribution to most areas of capitalism is negligible. In other words, it is to their advantage to engage with us but what we get in return is propping up of a regime that is hostile the United States and is the primary architect of all the problems in Venezuela and a whole host of other countries. They are in cahoots with the Russians and the Chinese and as you point out we might deal with other countries like that economic reasons- and as I said that might be but there is not much in it for us.

    And I do understand that doing trade with despicable countries is supportive of their regimes. But I do not agree that it is the same as what you have amongst the American left which is supportive of not just the trade but the regime itself. In other words that is not a necessary evil, that is good and one of the goals. Black Lives Matters for example is fully supportive of the Cuban regime, and we know how many dems are supportive of all things that Black Lives Matters supports. Karen Bass is 100% pro-Cuban dictatorship and has nothing but good to say about it, as does the American Socialist Party of which AOC, Corey Bush and others of that ilk are members. Just sayin, there is a way I can revisit the Cuban trade issue as we proceed forward but singing the praises of Cuba is not a winning approach for me.

    Now, knowing that you are as as astute fellow, I know that you will say- in response to my saying that they have a pretty busted down economy- that that is because they have been isolated as a result of American policy. To which I say: It is a big world out there. And they are free and have been free to develop commercial relationship with the whole rest of the world. Problem is, all their buddies are broke losers too. Canada and the Trudeau's love Cuba's arse starting with Justin's father and mother, so why what has come of that. No much. Cuba has the same problem that Venezuela does (no surprise there, VZ is their overlord). And that problem is they are still into this Cuban Revolutionary mindset except the revolution does not work without American dollars. Their problem, not ours.
     
    #1559     Nov 29, 2022
  10. ph1l

    ph1l



    All hail, the "Dean of Dementia.":)
     
    #1560     Dec 1, 2022