Job Fight: Immigrants vs. Locals

Discussion in 'Economics' started by ASusilovic, May 24, 2009.



  1. BLAH BLAH BLAH

    Check your garage and household items and how much of it is made in China.. People will not buy more expensive american stuff..

    I ust bought a liquid force KITEBOARD , and its made in Saudi Arabia.
     
    #61     May 26, 2009
  2. As someone who worked in the same industry, I can attest that you are incorrect. Contractors/consultants, yes. But most of the people I worked with were not as you described. Also, many of those "Indians, Chinese and East Europeans/Russians " you talk about are US citizens or longtime perm residents.

    Secondly, jobs taken by "immigrants" is a lot better than if the work was offshored, at least the earnings would be spent mostly in the USA.
     
    #62     May 26, 2009
  3. It's not cheaper, it's just that the quality is lower. In some cases, it ends up being more expensive.
     
    #63     May 26, 2009
  4. I believe that's wrong. Prove it.
     
    #64     May 26, 2009
  5. Absolutely, I am a good example. I am an immigrant working as an Accountant (educated in the US) and a US citizen too.

    What do you say about that?? I think outsourcing is worst as you well mentioned.
     
    #65     May 26, 2009
  6. read it, learn it, live it.


    "Look what’s happened in the last 50 years. You see, people are not willing to look at fundamentals. When I was a boy we were taught that irreversibly we were moving towards progress. That material wealth, material prosperity would solve our problems, would improve our way of life, and improve our civilization. We were taught that. And we achieved the creation of material prosperity in a way which we would never have dreamt of. We made the economy grow 400%. Incredible! And what have we done? We destabilized our society. We’ve increased unemployment massively. We’ve totally destabilized our cities. We’ve uprooted our countryside. We’ve increased crime. Every single viable criteria for a stable society has become negative. Therefore, something must be wrong. And what has become wrong is that instead of the economy being there to serve us, we are there adoring, serving economic indexes"
     
    #66     May 26, 2009
  7. Maryland, one of the highest tax states out there, and not just income tax. I don’t know how you came up with $1494, but I can assure you, it will be a lot less than that. But with $1494, give an example of how to live on that. Be specific, no generalities please.
    I’m 24. My insurance is with Carefirst BCBS. I got it 6 years ago and it was $160 then. It is an HMO with a dental plan, but not dental insurance, and the highest co-pay’s possible. If I opted for the $10 co-pays, I imagine it would be $3-400 a month. I don’t believe you when you say your’s is $130. You must be leaving something out.
    After working in a restaurant for years, I can honestly say we hate the people that you describe. Not so much but because they are so cheap and abuse the system, but because they waste our time that we can be spending helping another customer that actually appreciates our services.

    $300 a month is $10 a day. That gives me one meal at McDonald’s for $5 and $5 for everything else during the day. I don’t think that is unreasonable.

    Again, people like you try to make every reason why people should sacrifice and give up more and more so that the Man can take and take from them. Food prices have exponentially increased in the past few years, and your solution is not to fix high food prices, but to tell people to cut back their lifestyle.
    Right now I have 3 roomates, they are called Mom, Dad, and sister, and rent is free, for now. I am like most 18-30 year olds who have to rely on parents. In fact, I know more people my age who live or rely on their parents, than those who don’t. Awhile ago I put up a challenge here on ET after trying to argue that it is much harder for a young person to get ahead now than 30 years ago. I said if I got 10 names of people who are under 30 who own a house and put at least 10% down and can comfortably afford it, then I would admit that I am a lazy Socialist who thinks everything is owed to me and haven’t been able to get ahead because I haven’t worked hard enough for it. I fully expected to be throughly bashed by everybody and proven wrong. But on the contrary, I got one response. Just one.
     
    #67     May 26, 2009
  8. Gee, I don’t know. Where I have you been for the past couple of years? Banks giving billions in loans to people who blatantly don’t qualify. How about credit card company’s tripling interest rates on those that have paid on time for years. Is that your idea of a free market working efficiently for the consumer? How about oil going to $147 then crashing to $30 in 6 months. Do you know how many people’s lives that screwed up? There was nothing fundamentally that justified that. You people are quick to point to the free market as the solution to everything, but never have any solutions for when it is abused.

    The one good thing about outsourcing, is that soon those company’s that outsourced so many jobs, are going to wake up and realize they have no business because nobody is buying their products because nobody has any money, because their good job got shipped to China, or was filled by an immigrant who just sends the money back to their country. I guess that’s when they’ll get a bailout.
     
    #68     May 26, 2009
  9. Exactly. Some people speak before engaging brain on this forum. It is easier to give opinions and try to impress others, until they call you out on those opinions.

    He is so far off it is not funny.
     
    #69     May 26, 2009
  10. volente_00

    volente_00



    A far cry from $272 like you claim.


    http://www.ehealthinsurance.com/ehi/Quote.fs?mcei.html.screen++.IFPOverview.row:8.x=1





    If you switch to ppo or network you can get some for 100 -115.




    Minimal housing: $500
    Utilities: $100
    Health insurance: $100-150
    Co-Pays and prescriptions: $50
    Food: $275
    Transportation: $200 120 gas 60 liability 20 maint
    Phone: $50
    Clothes: $50
    Household items: $100

    total $1475




    40 x 10 x 52 = 20800


    Of that 5450 of standard deduction and 3500 for 1 exemption.


    That leaves you 11850 taxed at 10% and the rest at 15 for a total tax liability of $1377.


    20800 - 1377 = 19423


    19423 / 52 = $373 weekly

    373 x 4 weeks = 1492


    1492 - 1475 above leaves you $17 to buy some beer.
     
    #70     May 26, 2009