Job Fight: Immigrants vs. Locals

Discussion in 'Economics' started by ASusilovic, May 24, 2009.

  1. You are looking at a small percentage of the population and judging the rest by that. You are dead wrong. Do you really think if there were no immigrants, that the farmers in Florida would let their oranges rot because “these are jobs Americans won’t do?” You’re an idiot.

    Anyways why shouldn’t Americans demand more. I mean people like you demonize those that work low skill jobs like McDonald’s. Then when someone works and educates himself and looks for a better job, people like you say he has an entitlement mentality because he wants 40k a year. Then when all those jobs get shipped oversea’s, that guy has to take a crap job, and you blame him for not paying his student loans.

    I’ll give you a real life example. I recently got a job as a golf caddy at a local exclusive golf club. They got over 500 calls for about 30-40 positions. Lets just say they were exclusive. I had 3 interviews, plus had to take a questionaire on whether I have ever taken drugs, hit anybody, or stolen anything. After that I had to go through almost 2 weeks of unpaid training. After that we had to wait another 2 weeks until the club opened until we ever saw a dime. Then we find out that most people don’t even take caddy’s, and that if we even get a round when we’re scheduled, we usually end up having to wait 2-4 hours until it’s our turn. Everybody else who waited 3 hours gets sent home with no pay. And you know what? There is never any shortage of people willing to do that. Me included. What other choice do I have right now? And let me tell you, the people I work with are high quality white and black people. Whereas caddying used to be something teenagers did, it is now gladly being filled by college grads and middle aged people who have been out of work.

    So before you make any other judgements, I’d suggest you walk around in the real world for a little.
     
    #41     May 24, 2009
  2. $10 and hour, times 40 hours times 4.3 weeks = $1720 a month – 20% in taxes = $1376 a month.

    Minimal housing: $500
    Utilities: $100
    Health insurance: $272
    Co-Pays and prescriptions: $50
    Food: $300
    Transportation: $200 (I wish)
    Phone: $50
    Clothes: $50
    Household items: $100

    Hmmm $1622 for bare essentials and we haven’t even gotten to any entertainment or luxuries like education or pets. Of course this is assuming Murphy doesn’t show up either. You sound like Pharoah telling the slaves to make bricks without straw and then blaming them when they don’t. So as soon as you tell everybody here how to turn water into wine, how can you say people aren’t living within their means?
     
    #42     May 24, 2009
  3. Every week there is one post blaming China or someone else for "taking" manufacturing jobs.

    Now, what these shit-for-brains don't seem to understand, is that much of the spread is being pocketed by large Corporations here. The Chinese make pennies and the large Bush corporate donors get to keep 95% of the saved cost.

    Blame shit-for-brains Bush voters for the current problems. Not anyone else.

    Immigration? yep, shit-for-brains Bush is who let them all in. He was bowing to demands from his corporate over lords.




     
    #43     May 24, 2009
  4. Hey, they need you for a loop.

    I'm basically saying that people have borrowed & consumed, & now that's its a long hard winter there are no acorns stored away. Believe me, I am very frugal & even I'm feeling it. :D :D

    Just to be clear, if you can't feed yourself, a pet is a luxury you can't afford. You have $600 in for minimal housing - get a roommate or two & a part-time job. The Library is free, therefore, so is your entertainment. Do you grow some of your own food... We did for many years. It adds up. I still shop at the local Farmer;s Market & I cook a pot of beans, soup or chili for the week. AT least I have some control. BTW, when you go to the Library, checkout "Your Money or Your Life".

    Signed,

    The "Pharoah":D
     
    #44     May 24, 2009
  5. $600 housing? What? Where?

    Kind of sounds like prison anyway. If that's the way you have to live, might as well just end it now. BTW, you can't get a p/t job because there are no p/t jobs.
     
    #45     May 24, 2009
  6. In some areas, all jobs are part-time. :cool: no FT, no bennies.

    I have worked through my backlog, but my daughter corrected me, i'm actually a "Discouraged Worker" rather than "Unemployed."

    New college graduates are gonna have a tough road here in the foreseeable future. Its tough out there for everybody, but less so for frugal folks, people in the habit of saving & people who have seen hard times before.
     
    #46     May 24, 2009
  7. That is pretty hard for religious people to swallow. People should read Christopher Hitchens How religion poisons everything, great read.
     
    #47     May 24, 2009
  8. +1
     
    #48     May 24, 2009
  9. if you can cut the $300 for food, all the other costs will go away too
     
    #49     May 24, 2009
  10. I made up all those figures except for the health insurance, but I think we can agree that they are definitely on the low side, and yet they will still definitely be more than $2,000 a month. A one bedroom apartment is at least $850 where I live. Someone needs at least a $15 job to make that, and there aren’t enough of those out there. So if you want people to live within their means, then you better find a way to drastically cut those expenses, or signinficantly increase income. What is the hype on food? Even if I ate for free, that saves only a couple of hundred dollars a month. That’s not going to do much for the average person. What’s the point of that when the Fed eats away 5% of your purchasing power every year. It’s funny that you mention growing your own food though. I just went out and planted just a couple of things just for something to do. But I have no idea what I’m doing, which is the way a good economy is run. Why don’t I stop doing stupid things that I have no idea how to do in a vein attempt to save a microscopic amount of money, and leave that up to the farmers, and I can spend time doing things that I know how to do better than farmers that they can purchase from me? But then the Fed, governments, and corporations came in and decided they want a whole big chunk for themselves. One way they do this is through immigrants.

    Immigrants have drastically tightened the job markets. Remember that I know that we are a nation of immigrants, but does anybody really think that the immigrants of today are the same kind that came here even 20 years ago? They don’t speak English, ruin or culture, weigh on our social services, and then they take our jobs, then send the money back to their country. The worst part is, I would say, they don’t even like America, or at least the way that you and I like America on this Memorial day.

    Do you think that the car manufacturers are really hurting because of their supposed crappy cars and high labor costs? No you want to know what I think is the problem. 90% of non black or white people don’t drive American cars. It’s true, just look around you. The new immigrants who come here don’t drive American cars, and then they create a market for the foreign manufacturers. Eventually some Americans here also buy a foreign car because of the increased chioice and gradually you see the big 3 filing bankruptcy. The funny thing is, a lot of Toyotas and Honda’s are made here, but there is still the illusion that they are non American cars, which is why people buy them.

    Oh and nobody wants to hear that they have to get a part time job and roomates when they are already working like crazy. Telling someone to work harder for less, is the best way to get people voting Democrat in a heartbeat. Why don’t you instead figure out a way so that my health insurance doesn’t go up another 15% next year?
     
    #50     May 25, 2009