Jim Simons interview

Discussion in 'Educational Resources' started by bearmountain, Jun 9, 2006.

  1. nitro

    nitro

    #11     Jun 10, 2006
  2. but if they are actively trading in and out of hundreds and thousands of names on a daily basis then is not that snapshot of their holdings on a certain date meaningless ?

    :confused:
     
    #12     Jun 10, 2006
  3. Could be.

    Personally, I don't understand how they generate billions trading stocks like Altria and General Electric.

    Similar thing with SAC Capital's Quarterly reports. They dont add up to 65% annual returns, and I went back through them to 1999 and found nothing exciting about their holdings.

    Either the exciting stuff is in the short positions and not listed, or the Quarterly Report is just window dressing for clients and the public at large.
     
    #13     Jun 10, 2006
  4. I don't think they are actively trading in and out of the names
    in the 13F. The holdings are too large and are often consistent
    from quarter to quarter. For example they held $79 milllion in
    Aetna in the Dec 13F and $83 million in the Mar 13F. These
    look like longer term holdings to me.

    If you look at their full filing history you see that they also file
    13G's when their holdings go above 5%. If they were trading
    in and out even on a monthly basis wouldn't they be filing
    multiple 13G's over time on the same companies? Full filing
    history is here:

    http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1037389/

    Much of what Simons says is misdirection, it's intended to
    confuse. I have been watching the Renaissance phenomenon
    for years and each Simons interview seems to contradict the
    previous one. Every article raises more questions than it
    answers. Take this quote from the article:

    Wait a minute, you can't smoke in offices in New York City!
    The fines start at $1000. That's per cigarette! And the fine
    doubles at the third cigarette. Plus, if you smoke in an office
    you are setting yourself up for a lawsuit for exposing your
    employees to second-hand smoke or creating a hostile
    work environment. I know if I or my partners tried to smoke
    in our office we would be evicted from the building.

    I'm not sure that Simons actually smoked during the interview
    or if Nocera just made it up. Surely, as a WSJ reporter, Nocera
    knew how strict the law is in that regard.

    And how about this quote:

    The article is dated mid-November. It's cold in New York in
    November, no one goes without socks. If he wasn't wearing
    socks he took them off in the other room before the interview
    started -- for effect, maybe to make it look like he was
    channeling Victor Neiderhoffer. Simons has a PhD in perception
    management, half of what he does he does to throw people
    off the scent.


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    #14     Jun 10, 2006
  5. That's because the filings are for all the SAC funds together.
    You don't see Sigma broken out. That is the one with the
    mind-blowing returns. And that is the one where Stevie's
    own money is concentrated.
     
    #15     Jun 10, 2006
  6. #16     Jun 10, 2006