Then RElook at post #7 on this page above, beginning 7:42PM 1/15/09 EST, dealing with your 3 proposed miraculous Qu'ran statements. Like most other posts, you tend to gloss over things and keep punting. Last words in post: "Most??? Right??? I am awaiting even one example. So far, the Qu'ran is batting .000"
You are, so far at least, unable to come up with JUST ONE EXAMPLE, with black/white type of answer, to prove Quran wrong. So you start bullshiting again. I take it that you know that you would not be able to. I however encourage you to continue searching as you will be helping me look for an example as I could not find it myself. My problem has been that by searching for such one counter example, I keep finding new examples of true black/white truths in the Quran. The more I work to find a contradiction, the more supporting truths I find. This is frustrating.
Which part of the 100+ clearly defined contradictions I posted several times did you clearly refute? Show me again where you documented how they were wrong here on ET? Why is it my job to pick one when I gave over a hundred? Do you consider ignoring things as disputing them?
RFT Why do you confuse applying many adjectives to someone else as refuting opposing evidence? Since it appeared you could not handle a list of 100+ contradictions and kept punting by demanding one example, I addressed the 3 "miraculous" things you gave - pharaoh, etc. Was 3 examples too many? Can't you read 3 examples and comment??? Is this too difficult Do you consider it easier to demand an example and then try to frame how others may present this, than actually dealing with the dissenting examples? I NEVER saw anyone who was truly convinced as you claim to be, who ran away from every challenge instead of at least attempting to address them. Why are YOU allowed to tell me how to disprove you? Because you are unable to address them, so you keep obfuscating, juking, dancing and avoiding them. You gave one of the flimsiest defenses I ever saw about "female bees" - little better than UFO or Loch Ness monster defenders. Your defense would not even hold up in an 11th grade statistics class.
Because we need ONLY one example to disprove the Quran. Not a hundred, just one. However examples which are not black and white, and not based on known scientific facts cannot be used in the evidence. Human subjectivity (yours, mine and others) makes explanations of given texts not reliable I also want to say that I respect you. I mean it, and it is not sarcasm. I disagree with you on some points, so I hope you do not take it as disrespect. I came to the conclusion that you are in your heart a good person with good intention. PS: I also want to say that you were right about that Brandonf clown. I gave a scientific proof that he is a scammer and/or dishonest. Read his thread in chit chat. I caught him, and there is no damn thing he can do about it. I also gave you credit in there. Check the thread, and come to take your victory. You deserve it.
Well lets see what you had to say about me when I called Brandon on his trying to make a mockery of ET (notice your kind words in bold): Quotes from RiskFreeTrading TradeZone: Could you give Brandon a break? You are a stupid inferior person. Go eat from the garbage can next to you. What do you know about anything. EVERYTHING that you write in this forum is either a lie, a stupidity, a wrong and/or unehthical. Disappear from this forum you wanker. You stated in previous post the quote above as well as there is no here on ET who is altruistic. I am sure there many great people here, but you are definitel a sick person. Let me show you that you are a liar. I have made calls on this site not for just one month, but for SIX MONTHS! History on ET is a proof. I am not Brandon, but I am intervening, but I know that you are dirty person. You are a liar, and a dishonest scumbag. Gee, RFT I am overwhelmed by all your kind words
TraderZones: In relation to the words and Brandonf, you were right about your allegations towards him, but you did not provide a proof that he was dishonest. You were repeating general posts about scammers and how he looked like them in his general approach, but you never nailed him with facts and a proof. I nailed him with facts, and with a proof. You seem to not have gone to the right thread to check him up. Go the second thread (he started two). Do not go to the one where I handed you some strong words. I may have been in a bad mood seeing those criminals in the middle east killing babies, women, elderly and innocent people. Since you are a christian, I assume that you do not keep grudges. I could not reread those words, as I am usually a nice guy even towards people who hurt me. This forum is making me another person I guess. I retract what I wrote about you in that thread. I will try to find that post and email the moderator to remove it, or go back and respond to it in that thread. You see, I respect facts. When I reached the conclusion with facts and a proof about that scammer, I did not hesitate to nail the guy and give you credit, and have him out of my "friendship" list, and get you back in. Remember you did not provide proof against him, but you deserve credit for your remark about him, as it stayed in my head to check him up. I retract what I wrote about you in that thread. I think I should have stayed on the sideline, and waited to see what he would do. To compensate, I will have you as a friend, if you accept it. I will give you a break if I see you pounding on a guy another time. After all you seem to know a lot of people around here, and have seen the good, bad and ugly. Peace, and christian religious love! PS: Love is the most aspect that one gets our of the bible books. Even books that contain errors, and possible falsifications, written by humans (with good moral but who are not devine or are sent by the divine) have something positive.
TraderZones: With regard to the Quran. Open your heart. I have read all sacred books. What I wrote is what I honestly think. God knows whether I made a mistake or not, but at least my intention is honest. If you feel that muslims do not like christians, I really think that it is not true. There is a disagreement on the understand of the same God. But in muslims mind, they are praying to the same god you pray to, expect that they believe that you have a wrong conception of that god by making him a human, etc
Quote from riskfreetrading: TraderZones: In relation to the words and Brandonf, you were right about your allegations towards him, but you did not provide a proof that he was dishonest. You were repeating general posts about scammers and how he looked like them in his general approach, but you never nailed him with facts and a proof. I nailed him with the fact that when someone does everything in "How to build your rep online without cost" 101 then he is quacking and walking like a free publicity. I have had several sites of my own, and have already studied everything he is doing, including his "Wanna learn from a Guru" and "Would you like Brandon to..." He is trying to build a business and acting like he is just an altrusti. I nailed him with facts, and with a proof. You seem to not have gone to the right thread to check him up. Go the second thread (he started two). Do not go to the one where I handed you some strong words. I may have been in a bad mood seeing those criminals in the middle east killing babies, women, elderly and innocent people. What you call criminals, I call a tiny nation surrounded by others whose main interest is erasing them from the Earth. Islam has killed far more people and babies than Israel ever did. Conservative Christians tend to the defense of Israel and Jerusalem because that is our spiritual root and trunk. Pretty much everyone who wrote the New Testament, excepting a couple like Luke, was Jewish.. Christianity is basically the other Jewish sect that survived Rome's destruction of Israel, in addition to a line of Pharisaic Judaism. Sadducees, Essenes and other sects disappeared. Since you are a christian, I assume that you do not keep grudges. I could not reread those words, as I am usually a nice guy even towards people who hurt me. This forum is making me another person I guess. I retract what I wrote about you in that thread. I will try to find that post and email the moderator to remove it, or go back and respond to it in that thread. I do not try to"grudge" Being a Christian is seeking to speak, follow and represent truth. It is being a witness to the things that God has done, and not bowing down to the world view. Today, someone said about how abortion is often required or proper, when someone who is raped or otherwise bearing a child she does not want, blah blah blah. I said, it is evident in scripture, that fetuses are considered as living people to God, so I don't give a flying whoopee what people on earth justify. Nor the complex scenarios that scientists and others cook up about abortion. I will not be answering to them after this life ends, even though I am a devoted person of science. One of the clearest things in the Old & New Testament is, that there are the "many" and the "few". The few are those who follow God at all costs and don't try to spin things against His will or purpose. The many have little hope, regardless of the beliefs of those on Earth. You see, I respect facts. When I reached the conclusion with facts and a proof about that scammer, I did not hesitate to nail the guy and give you credit, and have him out of my "friendship" list, and get you back in. I retract what I wrote about you in that thread. I think I should have stayed on the sideline, and waited to see what he would do. To compensate, I will have you as a friend, if you accept it. I will give you a break if I see you pounding on a guy another time. After all you seem to know a lot of people around here, and have seen the good, bad and ugly. I appreciate, but dumping visceral words on someone is not often a start to a beautiful friendship. I usually excoriate someone who is trying to take advantage of this site or of others or is not speaking the truth/reality. People like Hershey who are leading newbies into hopelessness. As everyone else, I am also guilty of being human and having a temper, etc. But that is a disease of being allive and among my numerous weaknesses. Peace, and christian religious love! PS: Love is the most aspect that one gets our of the bible books. Even books that contain errors, and possible falsifications, written by humans (with good moral but who are not devine or are sent by the divine) have something positive. The reality is, the Bible is written for the true believers. To others it is written to, as it says "The preaching of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing." The true knowledge of God is impenetrable to people, only through God to a true believer can real undertstanding be found. And many other passages that says God confounds the wisdom of the wise, and that Christ was a stone that the leaders and rulers would stumble over. I have read sections of the Qu'ran and the entire Bible, and do not share your affection for its mightiness. The number of look forward prophecies that are obviously true in the Bible is in the hundreds, not 3 or a few. And on the other hand, it does not seek to prove itself. God does not a defense or our help. We are the ones with the problems. The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is not the same God as all other religions believe. I have studied the main religions, and there are huge differences. One of the things Islam killed off, was the grace of God, and turned him back into a God of works. Hinduism is a religion of works, where followers keep coming back as something different, based on past life behavior. And on it goes... A Christian relationship with God is founded entirely on the mercy of He who is everlasting. On He who already was knowledgeable of all people before the world began, including those who would believe and not before we even existed. A God who described Himself as "I Am." Our superlatives are flimsy offerings to One who is not in need of them, but desired to have a people founded who were forgiven by His mercy and desired to serve Him all the days of our lives, regardless of the cost. Who seek justice even for the unjust, and certainly not causing the death of our own friends and family members who trust and love us, as we ourselves our sinful and forgiven through His mercy/grace and not because we somehow were better followers. Do we do it perfectly? Heaven forbid!!!
Assuming that this does not offend you, I think you did not understand the Quran or did not spend enough time to cover it. I read all of the sacred books (not all new testament books though). Could I ask you this then: in your understanding who is Allah as perceived by you, and also as you think is perceived by the Muslims? As a word what does Allah mean to you? I will not insult you. As I said I am after the religion of God, and there can be only one true God. I think that you hurt Muslims by telling them that what is in their head is not the God of Abraham. You cannot win them because they know that what is in their head is the God of Abraham.