I've always thought it would be cool if the holy grail was just...

Discussion in 'Trading' started by 1a2b3cppp, Jan 28, 2013.

  1. The pricetag was my price for that work. APR's and DD's, avg profit and loss, but then I tell them 2-3 trades per month and it's like, "Oh, so it's not a real system." Then my mind goes berserk and I think about how much value it added to my practice, and then when I see a 55%+ return for 2012 and December 2011 in my client accounts with it for IRA's, that's when I wonder how anybody with cash that large isn't going to be able to use it.

    Price is worth it. But that was my price for a lifetime of work.
     
    #21     Jan 29, 2013
  2. If you have a system so profitable it is worth $8.5M, why not just trade it yourself and make the $8.5M in profits?

    What size account is required to make $8.5M off of it?
     
    #22     Jan 29, 2013
  3. I tried something similar years ago with a 60 period MA. I thought I had stumbled onto the secret of profitability until I learned that, like you said, you will get chopped out so many times it will wipe away your gains.
     
    #23     Jan 30, 2013
  4. Yes!

    The people who don't acknowledge the getting chopped out part are the people who have never accurately backtested or real time tested such a strategy.

    Did you ever end up with a way to filter out/deal with the chop?
     
    #24     Jan 30, 2013
  5. I tried ma stuff like that too.....

    only buy when ma is sloping up, etc

    maybe that could be one part of a good trading system

    but I dont think it could ever be that simple, trading is more complicated than that.

    You would probably need some way to identify a bullish condition....

    and when that condition is present..... trade long when the ma is sloping up or something like that

    but you already have a profitable position trading system going in your thread

    and a profitable day trading system that you arent using anymore

    so you probably dont need to worry about it....
     
    #25     Jan 30, 2013
  6. kut2k2

    kut2k2

    Sure, you're free to name whatever price you want but $8.5M just strikes me as a remarkably specific figure. Why not 8M or 9M? I thought maybe you had some snazzy pricing method for arriving at your price that I could maybe apply to my own WIP system for sale. Oh well.

    How extensive is your backtesting? I assume your marketing displays the features of your system with complete statistics, I'm just curious how many trades your stats are based on.
     
    #26     Jan 30, 2013
  7. You're describing long term trend following. It's worked for decades if you have the stomach for the drawdowns and have enough money to do it on a widely diversified pool of assets.
     
    #27     Jan 30, 2013