It's OVER

Discussion in 'Trading' started by PohPoh, Nov 21, 2008.

  1. Citibank is going down, as are the big 3 automakers and Moody's states a record number of companies are on the verge of bankruptcy. This is going to be the worst Christmas for retailers in many years and a lot of companies will stay in the red well after black Friday. Our bankrupt government is over $10 trillion dollars in debt and can't keep bailing out companies with money it does not have. The fundamental difference between this bear market and those in recent memory is our astronomical national debt. Our friends in China and the mid-East are not going to keep buying our debt. They are going to put more of their money into real assets like gold (while it lasts). I went long gold earlier this week and am planning to buy an inverse retail sector ETF before black Friday.
     
    #21     Nov 22, 2008
  2. But then again, I usually buy at the top and sell at the bottom, so don't take my advice.:)
     
    #22     Nov 22, 2008
  3. Bill:

    I did not know you trade commodities.
    Could you start an ET thread like the urgent rennick one? I will NOT post my calls in it as I do not trade them, but I will be a supportive reader! I am serious.
     
    #23     Nov 22, 2008
  4. Market overshoot tops. Are you sure that they overshoot bottoms?

    A top always contain fluff. A bear market's role is to establish a rock to build on. Are you saying that a previous bear market can leave some undone work?
     
    #24     Nov 22, 2008
  5. What you said...and some of these geniuses STILL think we've hit a bottom!

    I have no idea where the bottom is, and I'm not going to guess. Wherever it is, it hasn't happened yet.

    For right now I'm going to continue putting on bearish option positions on ETF's and watch the overall market fluctuate and continue to fall. I'll take whatever the market wants to continue to hand over, and say:

    Thank you, sir. May I have another?
     
    #25     Nov 22, 2008
  6. why do you think this bottom is the equivalent to thebottom in 2002? i hope it is not based on the plain numerical value of S&P.
     
    #26     Nov 22, 2008
  7. gnome

    gnome

    Earnings HAVE been cut in half... down from about $94 to $46... prices have also been cut in half... so the valuation remains the same... about 17x. Not a bargain yet.
     
    #27     Nov 22, 2008
  8. sumosam

    sumosam

    i will wait and see if the bottom is retested...it usually is. got caught once, bought the bottom, then it went up, only to come down lower....sold, and yes that was the bottom

    remember, the market fools the greatest amount of people

    gold's spike may have been a response to the fear factor....usually when banks are in peril...as C was on Friday, and the big 3 have not yet been bailed out

    also, bottoms don't normally occur on Fridays; Mondays are historically the worst day for the markets
     
    #28     Nov 22, 2008
  9. Look, there's no question that the charts are ugly and that we could fall much further...but in my experience, when you have a technical overextension like this, it's quite easy to make a reversal...it won't be a reversal based on anything but short covering...but since we had the mother of all sell-offs, you gotta think we could also get the mother of all short coverings...
    1077 or so is where I think we can go by next Summer.....
     
    #29     Nov 22, 2008
  10. volente_00

    volente_00


    Fear is stronger than greed.
     
    #30     Nov 22, 2008