It’s hard to understate how poor Trump’s Iran policy is going

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Dec 31, 2019.

  1. UsualName

    UsualName

    You’re blaming Obama for misrepresentation when GWB is now representing the deal needed congressional approval? Come on.

    Good for you for even mentioning Trump getting a ding, however he deserves much more because Iran simply turned their nuclear program back on and started to increase nuclear material faster than ever after Trump pulled out.

    Come to think of it, our local Middle East expert, GWB, is very much in line with the Trump philosophy on that. He thinks if you make a bunch of threats Iran will just fold up like a lawn chair. Didn’t work out so well for Trump though did it?
     
    #261     Jul 14, 2021
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    As noted by TreeFrogTrader --- since this "Iranian Deal" was not a Treaty or legislatively approved by the Congress in the manner required by law -- it was simply an Obama Executive Action. This allowed Trump to overturn the Executive Action easily.

    Sadly this entire "Deal" was marketed by Obama & Kerry as a Treaty to our partners and Iran. Seeing what they were sold on as an "International Treaty" unilaterally eliminated without cause undermined the international community's faith in the U.S.

    There are two Presidents that bear responsibility for this. The first is Obama for pushing what is obviously an International Treaty without Congressional approval -- this should never have been done. The second is Trump who overturned the "Treaty" on whim which undermined the international community's faith in the U.S. as a partner in agreements.
     
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    #262     Jul 14, 2021
  3. UsualName

    UsualName

    Ok, now it’s 3 very big false claims. In no way was this deal “marketed” as a treaty. As a matter of fact there was much discussion about that the time being a weakness of it but as tft stated the likelihood of a president actually pulling out would take a crazy long shot like a dope like Trump winning to happen. No one with half a brain would have pulled out of that deal. It was a good deal because our interest was to stop Iranian nuclear development not control hostilities in the Middle East.
     
    #263     Jul 14, 2021
  4. Heh, you believe that?

    Never was a day when they did not work full speed ahead. Never lost a beat.

    And they love Trumps cancellation of the deal (the sanctions not so much) because it allows them to shake a dem administration down again and get some bucks to fund terrorists and pump up their sorry arse economy.

    Rinse and repeat.
     
    #264     Jul 14, 2021
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Let's see what CNN has to say...
    Iran deal: A treaty or not a treaty, that is the question
    https://www.cnn.com/2015/03/12/politics/iran-nuclear-deal-treaty-obama-administration/index.html

    While we are at it -- let's see what John Kerry had to say in the Washington Post.
    Even John Kerry says the Iran deal is not legally binding
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...ry-says-the-iran-deal-is-not-legally-binding/

    Of course... there is the Obama administration's attitude towards the Constitution.
    Obama Administration: Constitution's Treaty Clause Is Dead
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/kerry-says-iran-deal-not-treaty-because-it-would-fail/
     
    #265     Jul 14, 2021
  6. UsualName

    UsualName

    Nothing in any of these links says the deal was represented to be a treaty. They say the opposite.
     
    #266     Jul 14, 2021
  7. UsualName

    UsualName

    The only thing true above is that Iran loved when the nuclear deal was ended by Trump. The rest completely fabricated.
     
    #267     Jul 14, 2021
  8. Yeh sure, that part where I said that Iran looks forward to shaking another dem administration down for more money for their sorry arse economy and to fund terrorists. Fabricated?

    Let the viewers decide.

    Cha-ching, cha-ching, cha-ching and everyone who is not in a lefty trance state knows it, which explains why you do not.


    Cha-ching, cha-ching.
     
    #268     Jul 14, 2021
  9. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    I'm not even sure that is the case (not even the heads of state who have to deal w/the headaches of embargos), certainly not loved by the majority of Iranians.
     
    #269     Jul 14, 2021
  10. UsualName

    UsualName

    Same deal with Cuba. Just like the Cuban government will endure poverty to hold on to power The Iranian theocracy wants nukes to ensure their form of government continues despite impoverishing the people.
     
    #270     Jul 14, 2021