It’s hard to understate how poor Trump’s Iran policy is going

Discussion in 'Politics' started by UsualName, Dec 31, 2019.

  1. The point I made was that Trump has not committed to long term nation building but is requiring good behavior - such as not killing americans and theatening us- from other countries.

    If the countries that are currently involved in recent attempts by America to nationbuilding- such as Iraq- want to help themselves and work with us then that door is open but if they get difficult- I will say for the fourth time- he is not committed to them. He might work with things that are working, but is not committed to them if they are confrontational with us. The fact that that puts them in the Iranian camp which they are already in, is not a show stopper.

    Ditto for Afghanistan. Trump knows that our discontinuing nationbuilding with them means a Taliban takeover, especially since the Taliban already run the place. But that does not change his policy or view.

    Good behavior is required by both Iraq and Iran. Bad behavior by Iraq toward us and we are gone. Bad behavior by Iran and well......one of us will be gone.
     
    #91     Jan 7, 2020
  2. UsualName

    UsualName

    Alright, your position is give Iraq to Iran and bomb them as needed.

    I don’t think you understand how dangerous this would actually be.
     
    #92     Jan 7, 2020
  3. vanzandt

    vanzandt

    Not quite. People's lives aren't lost on a first grade playground. Its not even fucking close.
    Whatever.
     
    #93     Jan 7, 2020
  4. LacesOut

    LacesOut

    Don’t forget that UsualPenis told us many times that we were ‘on the road to Iran’.
    Obviously he meant that we were BECOMING IRAN, which of course is so insanely stupid that no thinking person with an IQ above ‘dull’ could conclude that seriously.
    But maybe when he said we were ‘on the road’ there he meant that we were going to BBQ their murderous leaders?
    Nah...he’s not prescient at all. At all. At all.
     
    #94     Jan 7, 2020
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  5. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    usualpenis, here4penis......come on out already, Out4penis
     
    #95     Jan 7, 2020
  6. loik

    loik

    What about the Iraqis who do not want to become Iranian?
     
    #96     Jan 8, 2020
  7. loik

    loik

    Same goes for the other side?
     
    #97     Jan 8, 2020
  8. loik

    loik

    What is the solution?
     
    #98     Jan 8, 2020
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  9. Tony Stark

    Tony Stark




    https://www.cnn.com/2017/07/17/politics/trump-iran-complying-nuclear/index.html

    Trump administration: Iran complying with nuclear deal
    By Jeremy Diamond, CNN
    Updated 2:20 AM EDT, Tue July 18, 2017


    (CNN)The United States said Monday that Iran is continuing to comply with the terms of the nuclear deal that curbed Iran's nuclear program in exchange for sanctions relief.







    Trump administration says Iran complying with nuclear deal

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    MATTHEW LEE
    Associated PressApril 18, 2017

    WASHINGTON (AP) — The Trump administration has notified Congress that Iran is complying with the terms of the 2015 nuclear deal negotiated by former President Barack Obama, and says the U.S. has extended the sanctions relief given to the Islamic republic in exchange for curbs on its atomic program.

    However, in a letter sent late Tuesday to House Speaker Paul Ryan, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said the administration has undertaken a full review of the agreement, known as the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action.

    "Iran remains a leading state sponsor of terror, through many platforms and methods," Tillerson wrote. He said the National Security Council-led interagency review of the agreement will evaluate whether it "is vital to the national security interests of the United States."

    The certification of Iran's compliance, which must be sent to Congress every 90 days, is the first issued by the Trump administration. The deadline for this certification was midnight.

    As a candidate in the 2016 presidential election, Trump was an outspoken critic of the deal but had offered conflicting opinions on whether he would try to scrap it, modify it or keep it in place with more strenuous enforcement. Tuesday's determination suggested that while Trump agreed with findings by the U.N.'s nuclear watchdog, the International Atomic Energy Agency, that Iran is keeping to its end of the bargain, he is looking for another way to ratchet up pressure on Tehran.

    Despite the sanctions relief, Iran remains on the State Department's list of state sponsors of terrorism for its support of anti-Israel groups and is still subject to non-nuclear sanctions, including for human rights abuses and for its backing of Syrian President Bashar Assad's government.

    The nuclear deal was sealed in Vienna in July 2015 after 18 months of negotiations led by former Secretary of State John Kerry and diplomats from the other four permanent members of the U.N. Security Council — Britain, China, France and Russia — and Germany. Under its terms, Iran agreed to curb its nuclear program, long suspected of being aimed at developing atomic weapons, in return for billions of dollars in sanctions relief.

    Opponents of the deal, including Israel, objected, saying it only delayed Iran's pursuit of nuclear weapons and did not allow for the kind of inspections of its atomic sites that would guarantee it was not cheating. Obama, Kerry and others who negotiated the deal strenuously defended its terms and said the agreement made Israel, the Middle East and the world a safer place.
     
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    #99     Jan 8, 2020
  10. UsualName

    UsualName

    War is the failure of diplomacy.
     
    #100     Jan 8, 2020