You're certainly just as funny as I am. And, it should be noted that if I speak a "libertarian style dystopia chatter", then you must speak in "socialist style utopian nonsense". Isn't that fair? Why is your socialist manner correct and my libertarian manner incorrect? What sets the idea of a utopia apart from religion? There's no utopia here on earth. Do you think men, human beings, have the capacity to behave "morally" when left to their own devices? Seems extremely naive to me. But forget the rhetorical questions. The concrete and immediate nature of individual action is why a libertarian ideology is on firm footing IMHO. I don't see how a person can build any consistent framework when they start from a position outside themselves. How can you claim to know the true feelings and ideas in some other person's head? The smallest minority in the world is the individual and they should be revered and protected, not some groups or class of people. The immediate question is what would YOU do when push comes to shove. That's just the instinct mother nature imparted in all humans. A person hears thunder and they jump. The feel pain and they wince. Kamala can't fix that, nor can Trump... the challenge is to prevent either of them from wielding monopolistic state power against people unjustly. The challenge is to curtail their power. Doesn't this make sense? It's the same reason I wonder why the silver rule is typically neglected, but the golden rule is so frequently espoused. The golden rule actually doesn't hold water in all cases. If you'd rather build your footing on the golden rule then by all means, send me a bazillion dollars for being a nice person... isn't that what you'd want for yourself? Should we use state power to force you to send me a bazillion dollars simply because I went to school w/ Kamala (or Trump) and we were friends (but you're just some stranger). No @Tuxan, that's not going to work. The coin has two sides, the knife two edges. When there's no "good(tm)" and no "bad(tm) the challenge is to contain the power of the state. Otherwise you get exactly what you claim to fear... an autocratic deep state.
Up late where I am. I'll try and give a proper answer. But I'm very tired. While it's true that both conservative and liberal governments have their differences, neither fundamentally disrupts the core economic and social structures of a country like the USA. They may prioritize different policies such as tax rates or social program, but these shifts occur within a framework that respects democratic norms, the rule of law, and individual rights. This balance helps maintain a stable economy and society. However, an authoritarian takeover, like what is proposed by Project 2025, is a different matter entirely. Such a takeover wouldn't result in a libertarian utopia where individual freedoms are expanded; instead, it would erode those very freedoms. Under authoritarian rule, individual liberty doesn't flourish, it becomes contingent on loyalty to the regime or the ruling class. The idea of 'freedom' would no longer mean the ability to make choices based on personal resources or merit; instead, it would depend on how much of your integrity, values, and independence you are willing to sacrifice to comply with the demands of those in power. In essence, this kind of regime wouldn't enhance individual freedom but would instead create a society where freedom is a privilege granted by the state, and only to those who are willing to conform. The end result is not a freer society, but a more controlled and coercive one, where true liberty is lost in the name of maintaining power. The aforementioned did exist in relatively recent history in Amercian, the South. Where loyalty to a uniparty (then Democrat) and connections was all that mattered. Jim Crow flourishing etc. Not very good for a libertarian at all. For libertarians, this period is a clear example of how authoritarian rule, even under the guise of a democratic system, can lead to the erosion of personal freedoms. The state's power was used to enforce discriminatory laws and maintain social and economic hierarchies, demonstrating that when freedom is contingent on political loyalty and connections, it is not true freedom at all. Project 2025, the concentration of power in the executive would likely barring a quick and sharpish military revolt, lead to similar outcomes. Not the expansion of liberty, but its restriction.
Fair enough. What you haven't done is convince me that a bigger government, more taxes, and more regulation is what's need. As far as "Project 2025" in concerned... I haven't read it and at this point it's really just another political talking point. I prefer to stick to the topic at hand... why do we need to spend more money, pay more taxes, restrict the 1st amendment, further restrict the 2nd amendment, handcuff business between private parties, etc, etc do any good? How on earth does one legislate temperance?
What it is NOT is merely a political talking point. It is full on Margaret Atwood meets Sasha Baron Cohen. But if you don't know what it is about might I suggest you inform yourself.
Oh and I'm sure at first it will look wonderful, winding down agencies like Dept of Education? But then the reassertion of conservative power, expanding agencies used to monitor and control. The enforcement of sabbath laws of course and embedding Christian nationalist religious values into public policy. Bed time.
Lol, plenty of time for jokes but you find the substantive discussion tiring. Thinking carefully and working hard are tough. I understand. Just have fun and relax and have things spoon fed to you. Go back to bed Tuscan and live in your fantasy world. Maybe Kamala will make you an imaginary knight in your dreams. But, we both know in reality no one can help you transcend into greatness. By very definition, if you want to be the best or create something new... you need to do it on your own. Everything else is just a copy. You can stand on the shoulders of giants, but you still need to stand on your own.
ZH peddles a hopelessness and cynicism that is designed to hook certain kinds. Perma-bear is baked in for a reason.