IT'S ALL ABOUT THE OIL (isn't it?)

Discussion in 'Politics' started by hapaboy, Jan 30, 2003.

  1. Babak

    Babak

    Which reminds me....

    There is a certain man named Paul Desmarais, the head of one of the richest families in Canada. He sits on the Board of Paribas, Vivendi, as well as Total. He also owns a significant chunk of Total.

    This man's son, is married to a woman who happens to be the daughter of Jean Chretien. Who in turn happens to be the Prime Minister of Canada.

    Does that explain why Canada sat out the war?
     
    #181     Apr 14, 2003
  2. msfe

    msfe

    #182     Apr 14, 2003
  3. #183     Apr 14, 2003
  4. msfe

    msfe

    Saddam's Ouster Doesn't Quell Suspicion

    Monday April 21, 2003 7:30 AM


    DOHA, Qatar (AP) - The ouster of Saddam Hussein has done little to quell the world's suspicions about U.S. motives in Iraq despite the Bush administration's insistence that its soldiers came as liberators, not conquerers.

    The distrust of U.S. intentions could hinder reconstruction if Iraqis resist American attempts to restore order. It also could hurt attempts to repair frayed relations with allies and promote Middle East peace.

    Demonstrators in Iraq last week chanted ``America is God's enemy!'' and clerics accused the United States of invading Iraq to please Israel.

    ``It is tremendously important that the United States not be perceived as Imperial Rome in this world,'' said David Elliott, a political scientist at Pomona College in Claremont, Calif.

    U.S. officials repeatedly have said the war was fought to free a nation from a brutal dictator stockpiling weapons of mass destruction.

    ``There is nothing more important in what we are doing right now within Iraq than providing opportunities for the Iraqi people,'' Gen. Tommy Franks, commander of the war in Iraq, said last week.

    But in some parts of the world, a different view persists: that the war in Iraq was for oil, for profit or some kind of neo-imperialist conquest.

    That may have been exacerbated by a decision last week to award a multimillion dollar postwar reconstruction contract to the politically connected San Francisco-based Bechtel Group. The bidding process was limited to a group of U.S. firms, most with strong connections to the Bush administration.

    U.S. officials defended the process, saying a swift reconstruction needs companies with known track records and employees with security clearances. But the move stoked the perception that profit, not liberation, was behind U.S. action in Iraq.

    Another factor that makes some doubt America's sincerity is that weapons of mass destruction - the primary reason for invading Iraq - have not been found.

    Oil, too, has critics up in arms. The size of Iraq's oil reserves is second only to Saudi Arabia's, and many Iraqis were quick to note that nearly every ministry in Baghdad was bombed and looted during the bombardment, except the oil ministry.

    After his Baghdad theater was torched by looters, actor Fadel Abbas lamented that U.S. soldiers failed to protect the city's cultural treasures.

    ``They didn't want to protect these places - only the oil ministry,'' he said.

    U.S. officials insist that revenue from Iraqi oil will help pay for reconstruction, which is expected to cost as much as $600 billion over the next decade.

    Some Iraqis have said they want nothing do with Jay Garner, a retired U.S. general put in charge of Iraq's reconstruction by President Bush. And Iraqi crowds have denounced Ahmed Chalabi, a former exile and opposition leader whom they believe Washington wants to install as leader.

    Chalabi told reporters in Baghdad last week that he doesn't see himself as a candidate to lead Iraq.

    Establishing a broad based postwar government with help from the international community could help dispel negative perceptions. But that, too, is uncertain, with the United States resisting a major role for the United Nations in choosing a new government.

    U.S. officials had argued even before the war that ousting Saddam could promote democratization in the Middle East, making the region less of a breeding ground for terrorists.

    Yet U.S. ties with undemocratic governments like Saudi Arabia and its staunch support of Israel make it unlikely that Mideast reformers will look to Washington for help.

    Arab distrust of U.S. intentions may also stymie prospects for a breakthrough in the standoff between Israelis and Palestinians, though many are hoping that regional shifts in power resulting from the Iraq war will make one possible.

    Many countries believe ``the United States is a hyperpower out of control that simply acts on its own whims without taking into account the interests and concerns of everyone else,'' said Elliott, the political scientist.
     
    #184     Apr 21, 2003
  5. friendly suggestion msfe: in light of your obvious strategy here on ET, maybe you should change your handle to 'goebbels'
     
    #185     Apr 21, 2003
  6. I think the actions by the US to move without UN approval indicates we don't really care about world opinion.

    You don't get that yet, do you Wild?

    Nearly 75% of Americans approve of Bush's actions, so why do they care, or why would Bush care what people like you think?
     
    #186     Apr 21, 2003
  7. msfe

    msfe

    who/what is "goebbels" ?
     
    #187     Apr 21, 2003
  8. Your pal Adolph's propaganda chief for the Nazi regime. Here's an excerpt from his last known pulished article titled "The Year 2000" published in February 1945:

    "Germany, however, will still be [in the year 2000] under military occupation according to the plans of the Yalta Conference, and the English and Americans will be training its people in democracy."

    Same crap the Arab street is predicting.
     
    #188     Apr 21, 2003
  9. “Repeat a lie, often, and it becomes the truth.”

    – Dr. Joseph Goebbels
     
    #189     Apr 21, 2003
  10. roe

    roe

    Interesting quote. The English and Americans are in fact still in Germany, aren't they? Or at least the Americans are, as you can see on CNN when they unload their POWs.

    I'd like to see what they have tought the Germans as far as democracy is concerned. I only know very little about that country, but at least I know there is a prohibition of the Nazi party and related acticities. By contrast, there is an American Nazi party. And I do not only mean those jerks in the "Bluesbrothers" movie. These are dangerous criminals. The do adore "your pal Adolph", whose birthday was by the way a couple of days ago.

    If you really want to know more about Joseph Goebbels, have a look at this site: http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/goebbels.html : I guess the Jewish Virtual Library is beyond any suspicion of being a supporter of the Nazis!
     
    #190     Apr 21, 2003