Its all about "tests"

Discussion in 'Trading' started by steve46, Jul 11, 2006.

  1. Yes, that is interesting.

    Yet in my experience, when price "touches" the upper or lower channel line of a 2 standard deviation LRC, it almost never continues (on that same time frame). In my "walk forward" tests I have verified that price does indeed "retrace" about 95% of the time.

    What does that tell you about "independence"?


    Your comment is an important one, and it points out the need to refer to several time frames in order to make a decision to trade.

    I guess I should have made this clear. You cannot trade from a single chart or time frame with this orientation.

    Hope that helps

    Steve
     
    #41     Jul 12, 2006
  2. I have to agree with fader.
     
    #42     Jul 12, 2006
  3. Certainly it is possible that this isn't the right approach for you.

    One thing that can help you to sort out your difficulties is to do a little test

    Simply put on four charts using 15 min, 5, 3 and 1 min bars or candles.

    put in your LRC channels sizing them to 2 standard deviations and using 30 data points each.

    Watch for a day or so and observe how the channels orient themselves in a cyclical way until at some point they "synchronize".

    What you will find is that one does not need three digit accuracy to trade profitably. You only need rough approximation, and a couple of "landmarks" or "lines in the sand" to work from. Then it is a matter of your talent, your skill, your judgement. I say this because what it all comes down to in the end, is that you are looking at price wiggle at a specific point, and you are still faced with the same question, "do I enter here"? or "do I wait"?
     
    #43     Jul 12, 2006
  4. fader

    fader

    well, since derivatives are a major part of today's markets and i'd guess that most derivative models pay special attention to 2+ std deviation moves due to leptokurtosis and "fat tails", it's not surprising that a 2 stdev trigger may carry special significance.

    what you are saying is that you observe 100% of occurrences in your sample at a maximum of 2 stdev... rather than 95% - this would imply a non-normal distribution...

    - what are the LRC settings you are using?
    thanks for sharing, all the best.
     
    #44     Jul 12, 2006
  5. fader

    fader

    ok, just saw the lrc settings in your post above, thx.
     
    #45     Jul 12, 2006
  6. I have never used those words (100% of occurences).

    Here (again) is what I did say.

    "In my experience once price "touches" the upper or lower channel line of an LRC sized to 2 standard deviations, it ALMOST NEVER CONTINUES. In walk forward tests, I have verified that it does indeed "retrace" about 95% of the time. I mentioned that time frame is important, and I offered a suggestion for using multiple time frames to show how they orient to the distribution of price in a cyclical manner."

    I hope this helps. Once again please note that this is simply a way to orient yourself to price movement. I use several additional tools to make my decisions.

    I will have to stop for a while at this point. Talk to you folks later.

    Steve
     
    #46     Jul 12, 2006
  7. Steve46,



    It's OK, you don't need to contact your attorney !:cool:

    I also use "test" set-up's like you.
     
    #47     Jul 12, 2006
  8. Steve, do you use the classic pivot points or some other formula? Good thread.

    Dan
     
    #48     Jul 12, 2006
  9. Steve,

    Interesting reading. Thanks for sharing.
     
    #49     Jul 12, 2006
  10. Well I thought I was being very circumspect in my comments.

    Contacting attorneys is someone else's trademark I believe :)
     
    #50     Jul 12, 2006