It's a algorithm, it's a strategy, it's BOTH an algorithm and a strategy

Discussion in 'Automated Trading' started by Artfldgr, Jan 25, 2020.

  1. d08

    d08

    Same for Robinhood and many others. But plenty of idiots left to fleece. Save $10 on commission, lose $50 on the fill -- free indeed.
     
    #11     Jan 26, 2020
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  2. Artfldgr

    Artfldgr

    This is an effort to move another thread and keep the discussion going on this subject in one thread..

    From
    easymon1

    Mr Artfldgr,

    Time permitting, would you please run that same GC futures contract, but this time on a 30 minute per bar chart instead of daily bar?
    Another suggestion follows:

    Preliminary Prototype Runs:
    Range Bar Charts
    https://www.investopedia.com/articles/trading/10/range-bar-charts-different-view.asp

    Volume bar charts
    https://www.quantshare.com/how-288-how-to-create-volume-bar-charts

    Tick Charts
    https://emini-watch.com/emini-trading/tick-charts/

    Heikin-Ashi
    https://www.investopedia.com/trading/heikin-ashi-better-candlestick/

    When you move this thread, please let me know.
    Cheers
     
    #12     Jan 26, 2020
  3. Artfldgr

    Artfldgr

    Well, this was interesting... the shorts lost money...
    without enough trades, it doesnt have enough to win to make up for the few not wins
    but overall...

    $1,530.0 Bull
    ($230.00) Bear
    ------------------
    $1,300 which is still ahead...

    surprise... i also included 5 min 1 contract charts for you too..


    GC-1contract-30-min-chart-BULL.png
    GC-1contract-30-min-chart-BEAR.png


    30 min bull_GCXCEC_12620.png

    30 min bear_GCXCEC_12620.png


    There was enough potential trades in a day that these both won..
    $2,970.00 Bull
    $1,420.00 Bear
    -------------------
    $4.390.00 isn't too shabby..


    GC-1contract-5-min-chart-BULL.png

    GC-1contract-5-min-chart-BEAR.png


    5 min bull_GCXCEC_12620.png


    5 min bear_GCXCEC_12620.html.png
     
    #13     Jan 26, 2020
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  4. Artfldgr

    Artfldgr

    and thanks for the links.. i love to learn.
    did you know that one of the examples for quantiacs is the ashi?

    https://github.com/Quantiacs

    i wonder if combining that with what i have may make a better thing..
    hmmmmm... tick tock goes da brain..
     
    #14     Jan 26, 2020
  5. easymon1

    easymon1

  6. easymon1

    easymon1

    Mr Artfldgr,

    Position Sizing

    Your system spins off numbers. That's good. You have a record of past performance. Beauty.

    Here comes a Sh*t Storm or I'll eat a charred T-bone steak.

    Why not see if you can find an hour or so to focus and familiarize with Position Sizing.
    Here's a handy place to start, chapters 4, 5, and 6. See what you think.

    chapters 4, 5, and 6
    https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=26662
    Futures margin requirements are based on risk-based algorithms. All margin requirements are expressed in the currency of the traded product and can change frequently.

    Eventually, nearer the time to implement Position Sizing, go look at what the sh*t storm blew in and take a look at what's suggested.
    Perfection doesn't exist. 80/20 Pereto principle does.
    Cheers

    Expectancy Calculation, cued up.


    For now, Expectancy is a good number to think about - how to generate it with the number spin-offs of your system.
    Given the nature of the beast (system) there will be some columns that may use different headings. No worries, it's a good place to start. Don't compare your Exp'y Calcs to a Stop-Based system's. Compare them within the genre.
    Know how to generate on the fly, the 'Expectancy' of various prototypes, products, trade sessions, eg. gold after 7:am to xx:xx?
    It's easy. Some of this does not apply, but when you iron a sheet, why overthink it, pick a spot, get started, iron out from there. Adapt it as you go.
    this part is not rocket science.

    and Cheers

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  7. easymon1

    easymon1

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  8. easymon1

    easymon1

    Mr Artfldgr,

    Products

    The ES, CL and ZN products listed above offer very high volume compared to a product like, say, PA, palladium, which is a low volume product.

    This may be important for your systematic approach in order that there be a great enough number of bids/ offers to offset the entry/ exits generated by your system. High volume helps limit slippage and timelag between the order and the fill, all things being equal.

    Palladium and Lumber on the other hand might give bad fills away from the price desired. I'll post contract info on these below so you can test and see if that's the case.

    These contracts should provide interesting results and spin off some useful numbers when run through some of the various prototypes, timeframes, chart types, etc. Those numbers could be fed into position sizing calculations to start prototyping that.

    It's all good.
    Know that all you have to do is hold your goal before you. Everything else takes care of itself.

    Cheers

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    #18     Jan 27, 2020
  9. easymon1

    easymon1

    Mr Artfldgr,

    Here's something you might have a use for ...

    Interactive Brokers - API Software

    https://www.interactivebrokers.com/en/index.php?f=5041

    1. build trading applications - Interactive Brokers clients can build their own trading applications, obtain market and chart data and view IBKR account detail using our API solutions.

    2. Python - Our API solution supports a number of languages, including Java, .NET (C#), C++, Python, ActiveX or DDE.

    3. demo account - We also let you use a demo account to back-test your setup and test trade ideas before going live.

    cheers
     
    #19     Jan 28, 2020
  10. Artfldgr

    Artfldgr

    Position Sizing

    yup... which is why I am not using TD to do my real work..
    below still doesnt count.. but wouldnt it be sweet if it did?
    still working on it... so below is just a nuttin
    but its a better nuttin than yesterday, in which i could destroy a 10 mill account in a blink :)
    Quantiacs-Trade-Performance.png
     
    #20     Jan 28, 2020