Iterative Refinement

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Spydertrader, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. Neoxx

    Neoxx

    15:50 D - VE
    15:55 D - VE
    16:00 D - increasing black volume

    16:05 ND - FTT, outside bar, volume decreasing
    16:10 ND - decreasing red volume
    16:15 D - increasing red volume post-FTT.


    14:30 D - ??
    14:35 ND - decreasing volume in a formation
    14:40 ND - decreasing volume in a formation
    14:45 ND - decreasing volume in a formation
    14:50 D - increasing red volume and LF BO.
    14:55 D - increasing red volume.
    15:00 D - increasing red volume

    15:05 ND - Inside bar, decreasing volume.
    15:10 D - increasing black volume post-FTT.
    15:15 ND - volume dip after change in dominance
     
    #8291     Oct 8, 2008
  2. Jander

    Jander

    wow... anyone punch T yet?
     
    #8292     Oct 8, 2008
  3. I'm operating on the forest level. Here are my answers. I was very suprised at the range of answers.

    1 dom - dom traverse
    2 dom - dom traverse
    3 dom - dom traverse
    4 nondom - retrace
    5 nondom - retrace
    6 nondom - retrace
    -----------------------------
    7 dom - dom traverse
    8 nondom - retrace
    9 nondom - retrace
    10 dom - new dom vol (red)
    11 dom - dom traverse
    12 dom - dom traverse
    13 dom - dom traverse
    14 nondom - retrace
    15 nondom - retrace
    16 nondom - retrace

    Thanks,

    TNG
     
    #8293     Oct 8, 2008
  4. Added remarks:

    15:50 TBD, but initially Non Dom
    15:55 Non Dom (SOC)
    16:00 Non Dom (SOC)
    16:05 Non Dom
    16:10 Non Dom
     
    #8294     Oct 8, 2008
  5. I didn't annotate my chart the same way Spydertrader did, but I think I see the logic behind his annotations. My following analysis is based on his annotations:

    Bar 1 of 10/7/08: Dominant red. This bar represents the P1-2 dominant Tape of a forming down Traverse. It also shows Pace Acceleration, leading us to anticipate a non-dominant Lateral Retrace from Point 2 to Point 3.

    Bar 2: Non-dominant; starts the P2-3 Lateral Retrace.

    Bar 3: Non-dominant; continues the P2-3 Lateral Retrace but makes a higher high in the process, resulting in Spydertrader's atypical annotation of the Traverse's RTL and LTL.

    Bar 4: Non-dominant; Price begins moving in the dominant direction but closes in LM on DRV. The post-P3 dominant movement has not yet begun.

    Bar 5: Dominant; breaks out of LM on IRV, giving us a provisional P3 down Traverse which still must be confirmed by more IRV that doesn't come from Lateral BO or FBO.

    Bar 6: Dominant; confirms P3 down with more IRV that doesn't come from Lateral BO or FBO. Shows acceleration of the Gaussians slope.

    Bar 7: Dominant; OB on IRV which closes inside range of previous bar, giving us a Jokari Window Traverse-level change signal to up. (Before seeing Spydertrader's annotations, I had Bar 7 labeled as P2 down of a yet-to-be-completed down Traverse.)

    Bar 8: Non-dominant; Symmetrical Pennant.

    Bar 9: Dominant; IBV as BOs SP and RTL. P1-2 up is forming. (Before seeing Spydertrader's annotations, I had this bar as part of non-dominant P2-3 Tape of a forming P3 down Traverse.)

    Bar 10: Non-dominant; beginning of P2-3 retrace of forming P3 up Traverse. (Before seeing Spydertrader's annotations, I had the bar as part of non-dominant P2-3 retrace of a forming P3 down Traverse.)

    Looking at what happened after Bar 10, I don't see a Traverse-level change signal back to down. Also, my data provider shows decreasing Volume on Bar 7, invalidating that bar as a Traverse-level change signal to up. If Bar 6 shows Peak Volume rather than Pace Acceleration, then this would give me a Traverse-level change signal to up based on my data. But I still don't see a Point 3 up after Bar 7 that was confirmed by more IBV that didn't come from Lateral BO or FBO. Perhaps Spydertrader's annotations are not appropriate for an ES-only Traverse level trader?
     
    #8295     Oct 8, 2008
  6. Neoxx

    Neoxx

    My day so far.
     
    #8296     Oct 8, 2008
  7. forty6n2

    forty6n2

    Thanks for the drill Spydertrader.
     
    #8297     Oct 8, 2008
  8. I just read Spyder's follow-up post -- here are my answers for 10/6/08, 15:50-eod:

    15:50 Dominant; BO of LM on IBV, also Pace Acceleration.

    15:55 Non-dominant; price moves in dominant direction but on DBV; this is the non-dominant movement that we anticipated after seeing Pace Acceleration on the previous bar. Now we anticipate a return to dominant black before getting a Traverse-level signal of change.

    16:00 Dominant; black dominance reasserts itself with IBV; however, it's an IBGS with a close inside the range of the previous bar. Therefore, it's a Traverse-level change signal to down.

    16:05 Non-dominant, as the market begins the descending part of the R2R Gaussian shift on its way from P1-2 down.

    16:10 Non-dominant; continuation of the descending part of the R2R Gaussian shift, and continuation of P1-2 down.

    16:10 Dominant; IRV appears, beginning the ascending portion of the R2R Gaussian shift and continuing the P1-2 down Tape.
     
    #8298     Oct 8, 2008
  9. river

    river

    This lurker’s Forest level view of the drill:

    15:50 Dom Price movement towards LTL
    15:55 Dom Price movement towards LTL
    16:00 Dom Price movement towards LTL

    16:05 Non-dom Price movement towards RTL
    16:10 Non-dom Price movement towards RTL
    16:15 Non-dom Price movement towards RTL

    9:35 Dom Price movement towards LTL

    9:40 Non-dom Lateral movement towards RTL
    9:45 Non-dom Lateral movement towards RTL
    9:50 Non-dom Lateral movement towards RTL

    9:55 Dom Formation BO on IRV
    Price movement towards new (as yet undefined) LTL
    10:00 Dom Price movement towards new LTL
    10:05 Dom Price movement towards new LTL

    10:10 Non-dom Price movement towards new (as yet undefined) RTL
    10:15 Non-dom Price movement towards new RTL
    10:20 Non-dom Price movement towards new RTL

    -river
     
    #8299     Oct 8, 2008
  10. R/R

    R/R

    Drill
     
    #8300     Oct 8, 2008