Iterative Refinement

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Spydertrader, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. <img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=2048845>
     
    #7321     Sep 1, 2008
  2. dkm

    dkm

    Why? At the close of the highlighted bar, what says "one set of circumstances has ended and another begins"?
     
    #7322     Sep 1, 2008
  3. While I am not sure, note the similar situation:
    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=2038716

    where 10:35 kills the Lateral:

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=2038761#post2038761

    I suspect the last sentence from this post:
    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showt...rection+and+increasing+and+volume#post1590238

    "... what we always look for - Price direction on increasing volume"

    could be an answer.
     
    #7323     Sep 1, 2008
  4. Ezzy

    Ezzy

    David - This particular example was a wide lateral. Draw in tapes and there is a 1,2,3 traverse. It ends with an IBGS on increasing volume, which puts in the channel pt 3 and starts a new traverse.

    Romanus - regarding your example, to get clarity, I noticed the bars you referenced were open of (for example the decreasing black). The software used in the example are close of bars. The red bar is the 10:30 bar.

    So did the red 10:30 bar indicate the lateral was over, or the black 10:35 bar? Was Spyder using your referenced bars to be consistent?

    See attached
     
    #7324     Sep 1, 2008
  5. All bars are [close of]. The bar in question is the red bar - IBGS on increasing red volume. Bar 13.
     
    #7325     Sep 1, 2008
  6. Ezzy

    Ezzy

    Thanks. The mention of 10:25 and 10:30 as black bars had thrown me.
     
    #7326     Sep 1, 2008
  7. I would appreciate some help with a change signal.
    I thought 1005 bar was completing an up seq but can not see change without finer tools at that time. In hindsight it was change :) I managed to exit long there due to completion on lower gaus among other things but using just es did not see a reason to short.
     
    #7327     Sep 2, 2008
  8. The ES 9:50 [close of] Bar signals change - several ways.

    The sequence completed on the ES 9:50 [close of] Bar

    Each day (during the period of time when the Markets 'sync') a trader needs to determine if the market is finishing what began the day before, or if the market is building something new for the current day. Begin with the Final Bar of the previous day, and walk through the sequences of Price and Volume as the market moves from Point One to Point Two to Point Three.

    Excellent. When the market provided a "What wasn't that?" scenario, you had the ability to recognize it, and more importantly, quickly correct any error made.

    - Spydertrader
     
    #7328     Sep 2, 2008
  9. <img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=2050160>

    FYI, The 12:25 ES [close of] bar does not represent Peak Volume.
     
    #7329     Sep 2, 2008
  10. Thanks spyder.
    i will review the seq. carry over. having troubles updating prior day on laptop at this time.

    I'm fully aware the way I'm tracking sequences at this time, the sync period is often not as it appears. But knowing this I am able to find my way with wmcn.

    I still fail to see how 950 bar is continuation. An outside bar on IBV? I can now see the signal for change and completion on the 950 bar and in that scenario the 1005 bar would not have been a welcome sign but an acceptable one. I usually get a lower gaus peak before completing a sequence of events, at least in the form of MADA I am currently working with. This is not a hard rule, rather a general observation that has been serving me well.
     
    #7330     Sep 2, 2008