Iterative Refinement

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Spydertrader, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. am
     
    #7101     Aug 21, 2008
  2. morning chart.

    Repeatable sequences highlighted.
     
    #7102     Aug 21, 2008
  3. tobbe

    tobbe

    I guess you know it is a good idea to put all labels on the chart - point 1, 2, 3, FTT, BO etc - and have decided not to for whatever reason. Perhaps you should rethink that decision. The labels convey a lot of information and if nothing else makes your chart much easier to read.

    :)
     
    #7103     Aug 21, 2008
  4. YM trendlines drawn in atached are obviously incorrect.

    10:58 [close of] YM BO of Lateral Formation/Sym on increased volume.

    11:00 [close of] YM provides more increasing black volume.

    As such it appears as if the trend has changed.

    The dashed lines represent anticipated pt3 up.

    I have been trying to figure out the correct way to annotate this area, but have not been successful yet.

    Any hints from somebody who knows the 'right' way would be greatly appreciated.
     
    #7104     Aug 21, 2008
  5. See those horizontal lines in the Volume Pane of your charts? Perhaps, a reason exists for including them. Note how Volume moves from 'just above DU' (at 10:56 YM [close of] Bar) to the 'Extreme' levels within 4 minutes.

    Note how Volume first shows increasing Volatility with increasing Volume, but then shows decreasing volatility on increasing Volume.

    What you see here is a change in Pace - similar in fact to the recent change in pace which gave ivob (and others) difficulty.

    In this specific example, one simply knows to fan the RTL of the Red Traverse because the trend (down) has not ended, nor did the market provide any indication of a change in dominance prior to the change in pace.

    HTH.

    - Spydertrader
     
    #7105     Aug 21, 2008
  6. Thank you. I have noticed the same on 12:30 [close of] ES.

    The part of "indication of a change in dominance prior to the change in pace" is the subtle difference I was not paying attention to.

    :D Yet another result of trying to place the market 'inside a box' in an effort to shrink down a rule set.
     
    #7106     Aug 21, 2008
  7. tobbe

    tobbe

    ES for today.
     
    #7107     Aug 21, 2008
  8. ES 8-21-08

    lj
     
    #7108     Aug 21, 2008
  9. bi9foot

    bi9foot

    Spyder I have a question regrading the pace change as I am trying to understand what it means.

    In the area in question, the two bars prior to the 10:56 bar were in extreme pace as did the two bars after (all four bars highlighted). The 10:56 bar was a pennant so the decrease in volume is expected.

    So wouldn't we consider that area to be in extreme pace rather than a pace change considering we expect a drop off in volume in a pennant? Is it the huge drop in volume that makes it a pace change?

    Confused how a single bar within several bars of extreme volume can signify a change of pace.

    Thank you.
     
    #7109     Aug 21, 2008
  10. :p
     
    #7110     Aug 21, 2008