Iterative Refinement

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Spydertrader, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. The really neat thing about not responding to questions posted by individuals I have, "irked in the past" is that, by not responding, I can't possibly "irk" those same people in the future.

    What people say does carry a certain amount of weight, but what people don't say can often hold significantly greater importance.

    I find it quite difficult to quote silence.

    - Spydertrader
     
    #6771     Aug 13, 2008
  2. nkhoi

    nkhoi

    take your pick but in this case that is how it looks like for me.

     
    #6772     Aug 13, 2008
  3. possibilities....:)
     
    #6773     Aug 13, 2008
  4. I"m sorry, not quite following you here. I just want to be sure there's no misunderstanding. Nothing in my comments were meant to be negative towards you. THey were meant to indicate how narrow minded some have been (and I don't discount myself from this group at times, but I'd like to think given a moment to reflect, that I can navigate back toward a useful course of action).

    THank you for continuiing your efforts in this thread.
     
    #6774     Aug 13, 2008
  5. He's just a cry baby, keep up the good work MB :)

     
    #6775     Aug 13, 2008
  6. tobbe

    tobbe

    Do you trade the method taught in this journal? No offense, I'm just curious.
     
    #6776     Aug 13, 2008
  7. I've thought a bit about the above question, and it appears as if some might confuse, "What must come next?" with an expectation of what the next bar will do in terms of Open, High, Low, Close and Volume. When, in fact, WMCN refers to what the market must show the trader in terms of the sequences which unfold from Point One, to Point Two, to Point Three and beyond - into the channel / traverse.

    For example, if the market has created a Lateral Formation moving Price from Point Two to Point Three of a retrace, this Lateral Formation can continue for as many bars as the market sees fit. A trader (again, focused on the 5 minutes ES Traverse level trading fractal) does not use a finer set of tools to trade within the Lateral Formation, nor does a trader predict how the next bar in the series will form.

    However, the trader does know what must come next once the market reaches Point Three. In addition, the trader knows (again on the 5 minute ES Traverse Level trading fractal) that every bar within the Lateral Formation represents continuation, and cannot provide a signal for change.

    Where most traders err involves a failure to differentiate between the above description, and something not described above. In other words, a trader believes they have compared apples to apples, when the reality is, they have compared apples to automotive parts. For example, today's ES 14:05 [close of] Bar and ES [14:20 [close of] Bar appear to have the exact same signal for change described in the Jokari Window. Yet clearly, the market appears to respond to one signal, while ignoring the other. A trader who fails to see a difference in these two areas (as I have said many times) has missed a critical component of monitoring.

    Make no mistake. The market speaks on each and every bar.

    - Spydertrader
     
    #6777     Aug 13, 2008
  8. :D I am going to take a wild guess - your chart shows a little bit different picture (due to data provider differences).
     
    #6778     Aug 13, 2008
  9. LOL.

    Now that I look closer, yes, the 14:20 bar closes back inside on my chart. However the fact that your chart differs should give you the answer. In other words, what needs to occur, which until it does occur, allows the trader to ignore a signal for change.

    - Spydertrader
     
    #6779     Aug 13, 2008
  10. some PA
     
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    #6780     Aug 13, 2008