Iterative Refinement

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Spydertrader, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. #6691     Aug 9, 2008
  2. You mean, you too get the strange feeling that he's taken this where nobody has ever been before (except may be for JH):D

    Technically, since we are all looking at the same charts, it may be possible for somebody else as well ...
     
    #6692     Aug 9, 2008
  3. ivob

    ivob

    Well, I assume that a retrace means that the original trend is still intact right? (in other words we still expect a point 3)

    There are 3 situations where the original trend remains intact but you get increasing volume in the direction against the original trend: steeper RTL break, Lateral break or spike bar.

    Any other situation of increasing volume against the original trend I would consider a reversal. (I would rotate my point 2 and make it a point 1 for the other direction).

    Maybe others wait for RTL break first before calling it a reversal. I'd like to hear opinions of others about this.

    My example involved the start of the day only because it was easy to explain but it might as well happen somewhere else in the day.

    regards,
    Ivo
     
    #6693     Aug 9, 2008
  4. Here's an exception - bar 1455 eob. The chart is a result of multiple feedback comments from Avi 8 and Spydertrader.

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=2014779
     
    #6694     Aug 9, 2008
  5. Here's another example of what wasn't that. I am curious - those who do trade end of bar, do these situations result in a loss usually?
    In this particular case the lateral formation and increased black volume BO make it even more complicated IMO, because only +PRV on 1335 eob says no pt3 down. That's a 2 pt loss easily.
     
    #6695     Aug 9, 2008
  6. Jander

    Jander

    Where would the entry be, that you are saying would lose 2 pts?
     
    #6696     Aug 9, 2008
  7. 1305 eob IBGS Jokari Window change confirms fanned out pt3 up traverse and ends it. After forming a SYM there's RTL BO on increased volume, with more increased volume after SYM break to confirm that the trend has changed.
     
    #6697     Aug 9, 2008
  8. Jander

    Jander

    What if the change signal was at 12:50? Making 13:05 a pt 3 down? Doesnt 12:55 break the 'current' RTL on Incr. volume, why would you fan?

    Did you rule out a channel with pt1 at 12:15, pt2 at 12:45, pt3 at 13:25 ?
     
    #6698     Aug 9, 2008
  9. Because 1245 eob is continuation (Jokari Window) and 1255 eob increasing red volume results from lateral formation BO and has no more increased red volume on the following bar.
     
    #6699     Aug 9, 2008
  10. Why wouldn't you fan here?
     
    #6700     Aug 9, 2008