Iterative Refinement

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Spydertrader, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. dkm

    dkm

    ES 23 Jul 2008
     
    #5471     Jul 23, 2008
  2. dkm

    dkm

    monitoring notes
     
    #5472     Jul 23, 2008
  3. <img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=2004894>
     
    #5473     Jul 23, 2008
  4. Spyder,
    This is a snippet from the afternoon session and I would appreciate any commnents and answers to my questions, time and inclination permitting.

    Question (marks) proceeding from left to right:
    1. The large '3' is from a recycled P1 @10:35. I know you prefer to recycle from a P3. Why does it matter, if it does?
    2. Is the down/up traverse sequence beginning with the big'3' kosher? I did not annotate it as a traverse (blue TL's).
    3. The FTT (red crosshatch) @ 14:30 is not preceded by a VE or a flaw and this is unusual. There was a 'channel battle' going on at this time, IMO, and does that have anything to do with this?
    4. Is it correct to annotate the LM beginning with the 14:35 bar? I have often seen you leave LM's with large 'air spaces' and instead annotate as I did, beginning with the 14:40 bar.
    5. The LM from 14:40 till 14:55 appears to be an HVS with an embedded even harmonic (bright green crosshatch). Correct?

    TIA

    lj

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    Edit: Any IBGS's in the trace will not be 'colored' correctly.
     
    #5474     Jul 23, 2008
  5. ericta

    ericta

    in one screen
     
    #5475     Jul 23, 2008
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    I noticed that I overextended the LTL's of the second and fourth 'traverse-channels'. Clearly when the new leg of the second up traverse puts in a higher high (lower low) which is greater (less) than the point 2 of the 'traverse-channel' we have a 'new' channel. I find it useful to keep the blue trendlines for the initial 'traverse-channel' (I believe Spyder either called it a 'mini-1,2,3 channel' or tolerated it being called that by somebody else). Apologies for any confusion.

    lj
     
    #5476     Jul 23, 2008
  7. Spyder I asked you yesterday why an orange traverse I had in and you didnt was not considered a traverse and you answered that every time you see increasing red doesn't necessarily mean we have pt 3 confirmation. You explained that the increasing red came fromt he breakout of a pennant and increasing red did not follow after that. I have attached the following snippet from todays ES.

    The circled area seems very similar to that situation but in this case you have it labeled as a traverse. I was wondering if you could please explain the difference between this situation and the situation I previously asked about.

    Thanks
     
    #5477     Jul 23, 2008
  8. When the market 'rolls over' or 'rolls under' fanning from (recycling) the Point Three more accurately represents these changes. Jack refers to these changes as 'saucer shape' formations.

    The 'Up / Down' Sequence (of which Point Three sits squarely in the center) begins by a Step Up in Pace - which provides the appearance that a change in dominance has developed, when in reality, Volume pace jumped several levels (from just above Dry Up to Fast and Extreme).

    The sequence delineated by the Blue lines looks fine to me. I have it annotated in green.

    Perhaps, the previous bar represents the flaw you seek.

    Having a Lateral Traverse in that area works perfectly fine.

    No. Your Volume colors do not match your Price Bar Colors. RBR or BRB represents an HVS. You should see RBBR (all decreasing) when your Volume colors match your Price Colors.

    - Spydertrader
     
    #5478     Jul 23, 2008
  9. Last I checked, one does not define 'similar to' by using the words 'exactly the same.' Differences obviously exist. Locate those differences.

    - Spydertrader
     
    #5479     Jul 23, 2008
  10. Jander

    Jander

    Todays Chart... 11am -> in hindsight

    Spyder..

    I noticed that you dont annotate ftt's of traverses that end up being fanned (pt3 recycled for new pt1). Is this something you delete later, or that you recognize that the ftt will lead to a fanned channel in realtime?
     
    #5480     Jul 23, 2008