Iterative Refinement

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Spydertrader, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. Padawan

    Padawan

    Hi Atari,

    My attempt-

    ES 1035 peak volume, ftt, spike bar/change/reverse long

    YM 1034 fbp w/decreasing volume, WMCN didn’t (needed more IRV), ftt, previous bar peak
    volume/change/reverse long


    ES 1040 decreasing volume, fbp (lookout for tendency to break down)/continue/hold long

    YM 1040 price struggles to improve on IBV compared to previous bar, all within lat formation /change/reverse short (so reverse short on ES as well)


    ES 1045 sym pennant within lat formation, decreasing volume throughout the lat formation/continue/hold short

    YM 1044 lat formation, sym pennant decreasing volume (subsequent to another ‘get short’ signal, IBGS v+)/continue/hold short
     
    #3951     May 21, 2008
  2. ES Daily Chart May / 21 / 2008


    Daily bar made a LL and a LH on increasing volume, and increased volatility.

    This bar also closed near its lows and B/O of the uptrend in place.

    The volume today was the highest volume since back in March.
     
    #3952     May 21, 2008
  3. Got short UDRL today. Looking good right now. Saw a pt 1,2,3 channel on the thirty after a BO. Still holding short from 19.80.

    Comments welcome.
     
    #3953     May 21, 2008
  4. bi9foot

    bi9foot

    I was holding short from 1416 so I will describe my thought process as the bars unfolded.


    10:35 bars closes well off it lows. YM 10:32 shows peak volume. Change however we don't have a flaw or VE to look for an FTT so hold short

    10:40 bar is a inside bar view it as Left to right traverse for a steeper pt 3. The 10:36 YM bar is a Pennant FBO in decreasing volume confirming lateral movement. 10:38 YM bar is a FBO down on increasing vol (also confirming long direction supporting pt 2 -> pt 3 of down channel. 10:40 YM bar confirms a pt 3 up channel. Still haven't had a point 3 down yet (hold short)

    10:45 ES bar is an inside bar confirming LTR movement (hold short). YM 10:42/10:44 bars form a pennant confirming L->R movement.
     
    #3954     May 21, 2008
  5. cnms2

    cnms2

    NOTE: all times begining of bar and EST (add 5 for bar closing view)


    SHORT position


    ES 10:45
    - decreasing red volume (above Flaw level) => change
    - SYM BO on decreasing volume => wait
    - LF BO on decreasing volume => wait

    YM 10:46
    - decreasing red volume => change
    - LF FBO => wait

    YM 10:48
    - increasing red volume => CONTINUATION


    ES 10:50
    - increasing red volume => CONTINUATION


    ES 10:55
    - VE
    - decreasing red volume ~50% of previous bar => wait (may be flaw = change on a lower fractal)
    - price closes inside previous bar: LM => wait

    YM 10:56
    - pennant on decreaing red volume => wait

    YM 10:58
    - OB with increasing red volume => CONTINUATION


    ES 11:00
    - bar bounces from VE LTL
    - IBGS on increasing red volume (on cancels other) => wait
    - bar closes inside LM => wait

    YM 11:00
    - decreasing red volume => change
    - bar closes inside LM => wait

    YM 11:02
    - IBGS on increasing red volume (on cancels other) => wait
    - bar closes inside LM => wait

    YM 11:04 (first minute)
    - price went up on decreasing black volume then headed down on increasing red volume => CONTINUATION


    ES 11:05
    - bar bounces from VE LTL
    - decreasing red volume (above Flaw level) => change
    - bar closes inside LM => wait

    YM 11:06
    - decreasing red volume => change
    - bar closes inside LM => wait

    YM 11:08
    - decreasing red volume => change
    - LM FBO => CHANGE (confirms ES' CHANGE signal)
     
    #3955     May 21, 2008
  6. Padawan

    Padawan

    ES chart. The discussions have been really fantastic. I just need to drill the lessons into the brain. Thank you so much, everyone. While I'm not quite there yet, the fog is clearing each day and it's exciting.
     
    #3956     May 21, 2008
  7. point 3 down
     
    #3957     May 21, 2008
  8. FBO trade
     
    #3958     May 21, 2008
  9. My take:

    10:50 - ES lat BO in DBV = Change; YM IRV = Continue; Hold Short

    10:55 - ES IRV Continue; YM lat continue;, Hold Short

    11:00 - ES VE on DRV, Change; YM FBO on IRV (change), but forms new p3, Continue; Hold Short

    11:05 ES IBGS IRV, Change; YM IBGS IRV change; Reverse Long (we would have seen one minute of the next bar too, which may have made a difference)

    11:10 ES DRV, Change; YM DRV, dec range, Change; Hold Long
     
    #3959     May 22, 2008
  10. ivob

    ivob

    Today's eurodollar trade. The 6 o clock bar was first increasing black indicating the trend had changed from down to up (in other words a point 2-->3 move was out of the picture). This could only be changed if that same bar turned into a spike bar which it did. Needless to say all this went very fast but it's easy to be fast when you're prepared.

    regards,
    Ivo

    p.s. took 2 washes before that just to be complete.
     
    #3960     May 22, 2008