Iterative Refinement

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Spydertrader, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. Padawan

    Padawan

    Today I stared long and hard at that red bar with the same high and low as the previous bar, wondering whether or not to draw a channel with it as the Pt3. I also wondered if it could be a ftt. I was inventing stuff by comparing the closes of the two bars when that info wasn't relevant. All the comments about that channel and gaussians are appreciated.

    Regarding gaussians, I think the channel overlap is what's causing me problems. I see the corresponding gaussian overlap but don't annotate it (if you saw the very first chart I posted on ET, you'd have a general idea of what I'm talking about...please don't puke if you do see it :D)
     
    #2941     Apr 30, 2008
  2. bi9foot

    bi9foot

    Here is my MADA for the same period. I see things slightly different from what you have described.
    However this is an area where I will get in trouble with way too many potential trades and would like to cut down on the trades I would take when navigating a lateral like this.

    I have numbered the bars in the lateral for easy reference.

    Coming into the lateral, we are potentially looking for a wider up channel.

    Bar 2: Change signal to short possible point 2 and LTR (left to right) movement. Hold long position since we are anticipating pt 2->3 movement.

    Bar 3: Pennant FBO on increasing black volume. Change signal to Long. However since we are long we hold. This bar will give a steeper pt 3 channel.

    Bar 4: Price moves higher on decreasing volume and price stays within lateral formation confirming LTR movement.

    Bar 5: IBGS decreasing volume. Price still in lateral formation. LTR movement.

    Bar 6: FBO of lateral on increasing volume. Change signal to Long however we are still long so HOLD

    Bar 7: Higher high on increasing volume however bar closes near the bar low. Change to Short

    Bar 8: Price moves lower on increasing volume breaking the green RTL. Need increasing red on next bar to confirm BO. Hold Short

    Bar 9: Pennant formation. Change signal to long. However anticipate LTR traverse to a point 3. Hold short.

    Bar 10: Pennant BO on increasing volume. Possible new point 3 up. Reverse long. Need more increasing black volume on next bar.

    Bar 11: We get increasing black volume however bar volatility is lower anticipate change.

    Bar 12: We have the change. Possible LTR traverse. Hold Long

    Bar 13: Increasing red volume and pennant BO reverse short new point 1 down.

    <img src="http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1905298>
     
    #2942     May 1, 2008
  3. bi9foot

    bi9foot

    Just to clarify. The MADA I posted above is an attempt to try and reduce the number of trades I would do through the lateral.

    If I was trading Bar by Bar I would have taken the following actions (end of bar)

    Reverse short bar 4
    Reverse long bar 6
    Reverse short bar 7
    Reverse long bar 8
    Reverse short bar 11
     
    #2943     May 1, 2008
  4. <img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1905668>
     
    #2944     May 1, 2008
  5. I was just getting ready to post my AM chart with trades. I felt I traded correctly to what I saw and I felt I was monitoring/annotating correctly. Around 1135 I had doubts and decided to visit this journal and view a decent chart.

    Thank You SPyder for posting your chart of this AM !


    Gold flat
    orange - short
    lime long
     
    #2945     May 1, 2008
  6. Thank you so much for the chart!
     
    #2946     May 1, 2008
  7. <img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1905797>
     
    #2947     May 1, 2008
  8. Is this an acceptable alternative to Spydertrader's annotations of the 11:00 - 11:50 EST area (10:00 - 10:50 CST on my chart)? I have trouble seeing the 11:25 EST bar as having black V (on my chart this bar has a gray vertical line through it). It's an OB with a close below its open as well as below the previous bar's close.
     
    #2948     May 1, 2008
  9. R/R

    R/R

    Spyder: could you please explain why you ended the annotation of the lateral movement on the 11:45 bar instead of continuing it until there was a close outside of the boundary?

    thanks in advance, Rick

    edit: are you considering the 11:45 close on the boundary as "outside"?
     
    #2949     May 1, 2008
  10. With all the lines I had drawn in at the time, I kept 'grabbing' a trend line instead of the 'Lateral' annotation when attempting to 'extend' further in time. I've since had an opportunity to fix the annotation.

    <img src=http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=1905899>

    No. 'On the line' or inside the boundary = inside the boundary.

    - Spydertrader
     
    #2950     May 1, 2008