Iterative Refinement

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Spydertrader, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. ehorn

    ehorn

    Hi treeline,

    I will offer my analysis...

    We are in a lateral formation, and while we did BO of the pink channel on increasing black volume, price closed back on the LTL. So we would anticipate bar 42 (the one you have labelled as PT3 up) to have increasing black volume to confirm the new dominant up channel. We had an IBGS and increasing red volume on bar 42 with continued lateral movement, which is signaling to look for a possible fanned channel (in this case the orange channel formed with increasing red volume).

    Turns out this bar was an FT3. Then the market confirms the right side on Bar 44 and 45 (BO on B2B).
     
    #2931     Apr 30, 2008
  2. Try this logic:

    1. This bar is a pt1 of the new channel in the opposite direction.
    2. Channels overlap.
    3. pt1 of the new channel is an FTT in the old channel.
    4. Some FTT's fall on the same bar as pt3. They're referred to as FT3:

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=1899181&highlight=ft3#post1899181

    5. this bar has increasing Volume which means it could be pt3 of some channel

    6. There has been Intra Bar Gaussian shift ( I am not yet sure how to recognize that particular phenomena - but it's it the only logical way to count some of that bar's volume as red)

    1 + 2 + 3 + 4 + 5 + 6 => that bar is valid pt3
     
    #2932     Apr 30, 2008
  3. Great! I was concerned that I didn't have a retrace :p

    Its not enough for me to just annotate correctly, they got to be groovy too :cool:
     
    #2933     Apr 30, 2008
  4. It is really a volume thing
     
    #2934     Apr 30, 2008
  5. With respect, while you are learning, you should consider not having the software draw your Gaussians for you (turn that part off) and draw them yourself.

    Every time you draw a 123 channel, there should be a supporting Gaussian to match it. That will also help you to see the layers of Gaussians... It is good practice (IMHO) to actually draw them while learning.

    best regards...
     
    #2935     Apr 30, 2008
  6. scrath all that - I was looking at the wrong bar. Sorry.
     
    #2936     Apr 30, 2008
  7. western

    western

    So after browsing this thread I've seen a bunch of charts and lines and triangles. But where are the actual trades? Is anybody actually implementing this stuff in real life?
     
    #2937     Apr 30, 2008
  8. ehorn

    ehorn

    Yes, and the trades are found within the charts :)

    We are doing 4 things here:

    M - Montitor (a bunch of charts and lines and triangles as you call it)
    A - Analyse what the context of the market is at any given time (we call it NOW, and what MUST come next)
    D - Deciding what is happening (continue or change)
    A - Action (enter, hold, reverse, exit - the actual trades as you call it)

    You do not see action because you have only browsed the thread. Action is found annotated within the charts of those who have done the work.

    Best wishes to you
     
    #2938     Apr 30, 2008
  9. I am trying, but my eyes are at price and volume looking for FTT and potential channels and because drawing gaussians for me is not a reflex type of thing yet, I am afraid to take my eyes off the current bar for a few minutes, which is how long sometimes it takes me to put them in place. I am going to come up with some sort of mnemonic rule for gussians so that I can just glance on it and draw immediately.

    Thanks, LostTrader
     
    #2939     Apr 30, 2008
  10. Atari

    Atari

    Hey Romanus,

    LostTrader is providing you excellent advice here and your response shows exactly why he brought the gaussians to your attention. By not properly focusing on gaussians your efforts to look for FTTs and other potential channels is handicapped.

    Proper gaussian analysis confirms you are focusing your attention in the proper channel, lets you know that you have missed a channel or need to adjust your current channel. If you are not operating with (or missing entirely) the correct channels confirmed by gaussians you certainly can not recognize the FTT or other annotations of that channel. Channels and gaussians are the foundation that you have to have down cold before you can progress to identifying what the price/volume relationship is telling you regarding what is going on within these channels (which allows you to fully annotate correctly).

    I know that if I run into an area where the gaussians get a little tricky, the first thing I do is work out what is going on with my gaussians and make sure I have not missed something in regard to my channels. Only after I am satisfied I know what is going on with my channels and gaussians do I go back to monitoring what is currently happening with Price/Volume.

    Hope you find some of that advice beneficial.

    -A
     
    #2940     Apr 30, 2008