Iterative Refinement

Discussion in 'Journals' started by Spydertrader, Jan 3, 2008.

  1. IMO, both bars are Ve's. We still need the price to fail to reach the trendline to have an FTT, and since Ve cannot be an FTT by definition, i think one needs to watch the next bar and since it made another VE in both cases... Of course I could be wrong because I went ahead and started from the beginning of the Fut thread and my brain is still trying to forget what I know :D
     
    #10791     Jan 21, 2009
  2. What does the YM say at those times..?!
    Also concider WMCN following those JW changes.
    HTH
     
    #10792     Jan 21, 2009
  3. That's a good one. Ym was on it's way to p2. 1030 looks like p1 down and doesn't fit the p3 down - the gaussians said b\/b at 1020 and r\/b at 1028 - don't think these types of seq can be found in p2 to p3 movements.:)
     
    #10793     Jan 21, 2009
  4. Attached is YM 2 min chart covering that period.
    It's the only explination I found at the time for the same questions innersky asked.
    After all it is what the market did !
    Just trying to offer some help.

    thx
     
    #10794     Jan 21, 2009
  5. You may have misunderstood - I agree with your assessment.

    Only your orange pt3 down in the snip doesn't feel right to me, but it's hardly relevant.
     
    #10795     Jan 21, 2009
  6. re: 1035 and 1040 bars

    my take

    1025-1030 create an acceleration tape. need decel-accel before considering to look for change.

    1035 is in the accel tape
    1040 starts the decel tape.

    1035 and 1040 create the r2r which means we should be near p2, but haven't reached it yet.

    not your normal decel tape
     
    #10796     Jan 22, 2009
  7. Thanks everyone for replying, but I can't help but keep on thinking that it cannot be so complicated.

    Maybe it's just a chubby tape?

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    innersky
     
    #10797     Jan 22, 2009
  8. dkm

    dkm

    I think that perhaps the "simple" answer is that we had not yet formed a p2 at 10:35 or 10:45. The required "decr to incr red" occurs 10:35 and 10:40, after which we get LL's until the p2 at 11:00. I tend to agree that 10:30 to 11:00 is a chubby tape. I may be wrong......
     
    #10798     Jan 22, 2009
  9. I thought that incr red after a retrace was enough to get the pt3 confirmed?

    Do we first need decr red?

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    innersky
     
    #10799     Jan 22, 2009
  10. @innersky

    I’m currently monitoring only ES 5 min chart, for a better understanding of WMCN – so I did not see what was happening on YM.

    As I saw it, the area between 10h and 11h was a down traverse starting at 10h, forming a pt3 at 10.20 and then creating VE as time moved on. The bar at 10.35 was a lower low on higher V (and a VE), so for me it was a sign for continuation down, with no indication of change yet (even though the price closed inside the previous bar). Now if it would have been an IBGS closing above open, then I would be monitoring PRV and price on the next bar anticipating change.
     
    #10800     Jan 22, 2009