IT Term

Discussion in 'Technical Analysis' started by nwbprop, Mar 13, 2004.


  1. BA
    A warning about if2 trading. I spent to much time (skipping steps) and trying to IF2 trade. IF2s particularly the ones that represent the appropriate number of stops back (for the market pace) are very important but IF2 trading is tough. the reason as I see it is that you are looking at the results without the reason. the meat is what you need to make your decisions based on, specifically volume (PRV:cool: ) I am sure teh YM-Indu spread and DOM will play very important roles in the process of scting (carving). I personally can't 'see' them in real time yet. I believe because I haven't put them into proper context yet. to borrow your annalogy be carefull of watching the coastline when it is the
    repeated interaction of water and earth that really matter.

    I currently am finding context in the IT trend. This is very kewl, and relaxing. I found your post on the IT that you made on 3/16 very interesting. As I see it your channel was Newby's initial point3. If you connect the points you labeled B & C to represent the 'airplane leveling off' your Price/volume coments hold up very well. Is that how you were looking at it?

    anyway just my 2 cents. Great disscussion. Heres to volitility.
     
    #41     Mar 19, 2004
  2. Cool to hear that someone else is out there trying to get somewhere with this stuff.
    I agree with you about volume... I was really dismissive of volume when I first
    started out (2 yrs ago) -- I think mainly because I traded equities and the intraday
    volume for equities is really noisy. I learned my lesson (thanks to Jack really).

    Volume is king.

    Also something I've learned recently is to think about 'ghost' volume -- sidelined
    volume watching and waiting to put a position on. I'm a ghost all the time :).
    Ghosts make the trends go.
    Yup -- the PV for that IT trend was really pretty. I've also noticed that IT TL hits
    tend to occur during midday -- when (by no coincidence) volume tends
    to be the lowest. I used to dread those dull times but now I love them because
    they give you so many clues about the current channel.

    I'd be interested to hear the things you experimented with (in general)
    with the IF2 stuff -- as of now I think it is a decent exit and re-entry signal
    when you are already in an established 'taping' trend (ST channel traversal for
    example)... but other than that :confused:

    good trading
    JT
     
    #42     Mar 19, 2004
  3. New IT pt3? This is getting interesting. Hopefully we have
    a FBP forming.

    JT
     
    #43     Mar 19, 2004
  4. Well... that's what you call an IT breakout. Looks like we have our preliminary LT channel.
    Hopefully we'll get a full traverse to the left side... should provide good money velo$ity.

    nwbprop - did you catch any of that BO?

    JT
     
    #44     Mar 19, 2004
  5. Now that we have nice wide IT channel(20+), we should get some nice traverses within it. Only thing left to do is take those rocket entries and ride the trend.

    I might not reply to this thread much more as the objective of the thread has been accomplished. If you would like to join our chatroom, pm me.

    Thanks for all the helpful replies.
     
    #45     Mar 20, 2004
  6. I know nwbprop started this thread -- but I think it's
    useful so I'm going to continue posting...

    So... the big drop at the end of 3/19 through 3/22 was
    definintely a traversal to the left side of the LT channel...
    since then prices have been banging up against
    downsloping R and then finally squeaking through the end.

    We've basically been in an IT stall.

    On Wed we finished up just poking through a R at the
    end of the day... we'll see if it resumes tomorrow AM...
    my gut is that it will -- but there are big problems
    overhead... We have a horizontal R around 1100 -- and
    the LT trend line looming.

    If prices don't resume upwards tomorrow - watch out
    for another traversal to the left side of the LT. We are
    basically sitting right in the middle of the LT down
    channel at the moment.

    First order of business -- figure out which way it wants to
    go tomorrow AM -- after that figure out what will be the
    main opposing force -- then figure out what trading tools
    to use to extract the most money from the situation.

    JT
     
    #46     Mar 24, 2004
  7. I could not have said it better. Seems right on the mark from the charts I have. It would be nice to get some great volatility if we get a full traverse on the LT channel over a failure to traverse the first pt 3.
     
    #47     Mar 24, 2004
  8. As they say in basketball -- the market took the ball into trouble...
    we're definitely in an IT up trend -- rising R all day today tells
    that story.

    The horizontal R came into play beautifully from about 11:30 -
    12:30... I really didn't expect to see the up sloping R get broken
    at 12:30.

    This was pretty dumb of me really... range and volume dried up...
    this was followed by a volume BO on all black bars (on the 1 min).

    We haven't even really seen the right hand LT trend line come
    into play yet today. new pt 3 coming?

    JT
     
    #48     Mar 25, 2004
  9. Today was pretty frustrating -- hopefully I learned a bit too...

    Every time prices started to stall and volume declined I was
    looking for a short. Well -- every time that happened today
    it was just a new pt 3 in the ST channel. all day.

    It's frustrating because it was the easiest day in the last
    several. What threw me off was the *memory* of the up and
    down action the last few days -- I became conditioned
    (biased - which I have a problem with) to something and I
    expected it.

    Also I think I need to expand my concept of a channel a little
    bit -- because there seems to be two modes of behavior: moving
    between s/r and moving along s/r... and each of these seems
    to have 1 or 2 subcategories.

    At any rate -- seems we are at or near pt 2 of an IT up trend.

    JT
     
    #49     Mar 25, 2004
  10. dbphoenix

    dbphoenix

    If points aren't working for you, you may be interested in a chart I posted earlier:

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/attachment.php?s=&postid=460888

    If so, here's the post it's attached to:

    http://www.elitetrader.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=29005&perpage=1&pagenumber=164
     
    #50     Mar 25, 2004