Yes, the bigots have discredited this site. After being on here for years--as a real trader, not a paper trader pretender or vendor--I am just about through with this site. There are other sites where there are real traders.
You will never meet a more potent advocate of RTKBA as me; so much so, that I think the ban on fully automatic weapons is silly and has little practical utility (anyone experienced with firearms knows that weapons operating in full auto mode, unless mounted on a platform such as a tripod, and having military-grade suppression systems, used by a trained operator, are pretty much less accurate and lethal than almost any semi-auto weapon in the same or even smaller caliber) - before you cite the Bank of America robbery in Hollywood, be mindful that the perps would have been killed early on by law enforcement had Cali equipped their officers with actual rifles instead of pea shooting 9mm pistols, AND HAD THE PERPS NOT HAD ON FULL, HEAD TO TOE BODY ARMOR. The perps were firing most of their shots in burst mode, by the way, and not fully automatic mode, despite the inaccurate reporting of the media - I can fire a hunting rifle in burst mode, by faster trigger manipulation, so should hunting rifles be banned?? The Supreme Court decision that was just handed down in Washington D.C., whereby the SCOTUS threw out D.C.'s ban on RTKBA, pretty much boxes Obama and Holder in on exactly what they can do - and even if Obama wanted to impose meaningful limits on firearm ownership, he's not stupid, and knows it. The case is District of Columbia v. Heller. The most that anti-firearm radicals can hope for is a reinstatement of the AWB Clinton had put in place, which basically outlawed production and sale of NEW high cap magazines and certain SA weapons such as CHICOM (Norinco comes to mind) firearms. The rules on bayonet lugs, etc., were all circumvented as firearm manufacturers simply modified their designs. This is much ado about nothing. When push comes to shove, whether you live in a high crime or low crime area, if you half a brain even, and want to be able to protect your property, and more importantly, your life and those whom you love and depend on you, you certainly must know that being forced to call 911 and wait for help, depending upon government to help you in a meaningful and timely manner, is a risky proposition.
=============== Smiley S; I hope you were not hinting i am a bigot, just because i have made some rather tough comments about hispanics/immigrants & indians.[Actually my comments may have seemes racist, but actually i like dong business with those , so i felt comfortable doing it] But it seems some are so sensitive because cartoonist drew 2 police [handgun]shooting a light faced -black haired chimp....... . ============================== Cowbell; a ''laughable ''song. Song/country & western fun song; He always followed his mother wishes, even on the range he used 2 sets of dishes.......................... The James boys were coming on the train @ first sun; the town said '' ****** we need your GUN'' When that train pulled in @ the break of dawn; ******'s GUN was there but ****** was GONE !!!!!!!. [Speaking of laughs, here is an funny ethnic song, i will bleep out the ethnic name, to keep it funny/not offensive]
The concern in the inhumanity on the pulling end of the trigger... Or do you consider unnecessary child death at home and gun accidents, as well as people who are emotional unstable...but physically stable to pull the trigger...just acceptable collateral damage?
So its really the people you are scared of, not the guns. It's a shame that you and other "ban the guns" people are that scared of your fellow man (or woman). Just because you are scared of them does not mean that I am so why should my choices in life be ruled by your fears.
Hard to separate the people and the guns... No guns means no gun accidents means no collateral damage... Doesn't mean someone won't pickup a rock and bludgeon another to death, but I am not familiar with semi automatic rocks...
Ok, you gun nutcases, here is a problem for you: I live in one of the more lenient gun states (Florida) and according to the mythical belief criminals would be afraid of launching attacks for fear of encountering someone who is armed. The reality is quite the opposite: Banks are robbed on a regular basis, carjackings are starting to inch upward and even burglary is on the increase. Guns in private hands don't decrease crime, they increase crime but that effect is camouflaged by a high standard of living and a decent police force. With the degradation of living standards we will see the true effect of loose gun laws - notably drowning in crime.
Dang, I was away for a few weeks and I forgot what assholes are posting in the politics forum. I recommend the Art of War by Sun Tzu, he knew a couple thousand years ago why arms, since they exist, are necessary... that's thousands of years and we're waiting for liberal shit heads to catch up... same goes for the rest of the Bill of Rights really, speech is not about potty mouth stuff, privacy is not about queer "sex", equality is not about wealth redistribution, etc...
Economy no doubt a factor. Change private hands to law abiding private hands, and the equation will change substantially. So are you willing to live unarmed, and rely solely on the police? I say give the police adequate firepower, but do not deny the homeowner who abides by the law the same. The end result of banning guns will have no more effect than banning drugs, and you know it. The people who want them will get them. I am a law abiding, tax paying citizen. From the perspective of self defense, the type of weapon I choose should be of no concern to anyone (accept someone with bad intentions coming through my door in the middle of the night, or day, for that matter). The more adequate the weapon, the greater the likelihood of success in defending my property and family. Here's just one example why banning gun ownership by law abiding citizens won't make them safer: "According to a Scripps Howard report by Michael Hedges (which ran on the front page of the March 14, 1997 edition of the Arkansas Democrat Gazette) on February 2, 1996, the Clinton administration granted Wang Jun's Poly Technologies importation permits to flood America with over 100,000 semi-automatic weapons and millions of rounds of ammunition - despite the president's own gun ban."