Israeli Jets 'Incinerate' Fleeing Family

Discussion in 'Politics' started by PLATO2, Jul 16, 2006.

  1. Sure, and you can't live without drugs to keep you away from the feelings....

     
    #91     Jul 18, 2006
  2. Since you no longer have the ability to annoy me,
    you're only making a fool of yourself. Continue on, if you wish.
     
    #92     Jul 18, 2006
  3. Pabst

    Pabst

    The "Brits" had little to do with the demise of the IRA. The IRISH PEOPLE told the IRA or more accurately, the IRA's political arm, Sinn Féin, to shove off. One election in the mid-80's Sinn Féin got like 2% of the vote.

    Unlike Islamic fanatics, the Irish didn't really care about rehashing a civil war from the 1920's. I hung out with three really cool Catholic girls from Belfast who spent the summer of 1996 in Chicago. Their take was, living in the North was better than the Republic! Lower taxes and better services. The movement toward independence from England for the North was doomed more by apathy than "negotiation" or "cease fires."
     
    #93     Jul 18, 2006
  4. So there can be other ways to solve a terrorist problem...

    Thanks for making my point...

     
    #94     Jul 18, 2006
  5. If I had no way to annoy you (LOL) then there would be no need to tell everyone that I "no longer have the ability to annoy me."

    Too freaking funny....

     
    #95     Jul 18, 2006
  6. You bet, the Lebanese and Palestinians could have and should have solved the Hamas/Hezbollah problem, too bad they did not.
     
    #96     Jul 18, 2006
  7. So again, the same old rhyme, Israel does nothing wrong, never contributes to the problem, need not change in order to help solve the problem, and is forced to kill innocent people.

    You really do make a case for the blinders on Israeli supporters having a persecution complex.

    Oh and "They hate us for our freedoms" and "They are members of the axis of evil" and we are only good.



     
    #97     Jul 18, 2006
  8. Hooray for Israel

    By Bill Murchison

    Tuesday, July 18, 2006

    This seems a useful time to say a word about the American commitment to Israel -- which, if you listen to particular Americans, not to mention particular Europeans and Middle Easterners, makes us complicit in manifold deeds of evil and aggression like the ongoing battling in Lebanon and Gaza.

    Evil? Aggression? Rubbish! That's the word I was looking for. Though other words of like import cue up for notice.

    Israeli soldiers prepare their tanks for battle on a field in Mefalsim area on the Israeli-Gaza border June 29, 2006. Israel seized eight Hamas cabinet ministers and dozens of officials and prepared to step up its Gaza military offensive to pressure Palestinian militants to free a kidnapped soldier. REUTERS/Gil Cohen Magen (ISRAEL) The American commitment to Israel, whatever reproach it excites from the excitable among us, is more than inevitable. It is just. It is right. Hooray for Israel. The day America turns its back on Israel, for reasons of expediency or just plain moral flaccidity, will be one of the worst days in our history. We should all pray -- Israelis and Americans, speaking to our common God -- that such a day never comes.

    I think no American -- no non-Jewish American, perhaps -- is obliged to have a viewpoint regarding the Jewish aspiration for a Holy Land home. I think all we need do is acknowledge two truths about modern Israel:

    1. It is Western-oriented and democratic. Real elections take place there. The rule of law exists. These are claims I doubt anyone would make concerning, say, Syria and Iran.

    2. Israel is a firm and important ally of the United States -- even when, as sometimes happens with allies (as with spouses), we don't see eye to eye.

    There is yet a third truth that could be called a corollary of the first two: Israel's Islamic enemies -- failures at nearly everything normal people are supposed to pursue for their betterment -- work and conspire to mash the Israelis into pulp. How about another Syria where now there is Israel? How about a Hamas stronghold in Tel Aviv? We could eventually have either scenario, or a fetching combination of both, by beginning now to talk, as do the Russians and French, about "disproportionate" responses to aggression.

    A question that has not fully engaged the world is: What is a "proportionate" response to a war someone else started, as in the cases of Gaza and Lebanon? What were the Israelis doing when all this began -- these over-the-border assaults and kidnappings by terrorists, these rocket raids on Israeli cities and towns? The Israelis were trying to detach themselves from responsibility for these zones, as for portions of the long-disputed West Bank from which the government planned later withdrawal. That is to say, the Israelis weren't pushing forward territorially, they were drawing back, when Hamas and Hezbollah hit them hard.

    Now precisely what are you supposed to do in such situations, invite your attackers over for tea and mediation? I think the conventional expectation is that you will strike back, by way of meting out just punishment for unprovoked aggression. Isn't that what you do with criminals? I'd hope so. I'd hope so to the point of working for the ouster of any establishment too cynical or too cowardly or too naive to come down firmly on the lawless.

    The terrorists, then, are criminals? What else would you call murderers and mad bombers? The military dimension of Israel's -- and of our -- response to terrorist acts like the above need not obscure the profoundly criminal dimension of attempts to rub out your fellow man in the meanest, cruelest way.

    We do well to keep in mind that the same people who hate Israel and work for its demise are the same criminals who hate the United States and wouldn't mind dropping a few hydrogen bombs on it if they knew where to get any -- though they're willing to settle for lesser measures like flying airplanes into skyscrapers.

    In an age often unwilling to acknowledge the inherent superiority of one moral position over another, the Israelis inspire. They don't fall for all this modern nonsense or anything resembling it. They know an enemy when they see one. Would that the same might be said of us all.
     
    #98     Jul 18, 2006
  9. Hooray for parents who teach their children not to hit by hitting them...

    Hooray for countries that kill to teach others not to kill...

    ...and people moronically wonder why the cycle of violence never ends...
     
    #99     Jul 18, 2006
  10. I thought you wanted to discuss better ways to fight terrorism that you implied you knew and the best you've come up with is a strawman attack on Israel and her supporters.
     
    #100     Jul 18, 2006