Israel Under Attack

Discussion in 'Politics' started by wildchild, Oct 7, 2023.

  1. Have Tlaib and Omar started calling for the release of the 9-11 terrorists yet?

    Maybe pay compensation/reparations to them. And grant them citizenship so they can be elected to Congress. The welcome mat is already down for them there.

    That seems like it would be the next step to expect based on the way things are going.

    Just checking.
     
    #281     Nov 4, 2023
    smallfil likes this.
  2. Good1

    Good1

    Can you spell out, exactly, the method Bibi used to prop up Mohammed's Medieval Time-Traveling Tunnel Rats...who, using the concept of democracy to gain power in 2005, became a dictatorship which tolerated no more elections, and no more other parties? Are you saying Bibi helped them win their first election in 2005, knowing they would become forever dictators over Gaza?
     
    #282     Nov 4, 2023
  3. Good1

    Good1

    There's a group in Israel forensics team specializing in proper Jewish burials for as many as possible. According to one of them, without a head, it's difficult to impossible to give them a proper burial, without which, may even affect their future prospects for any kind of resurrection. It looks like Mohammed's Mediaeval Time-Traveling Tunnel Rats was, in addition to the terrorizing aspect of it, trying to mess with proper burial, as if they could damn their souls forever, or terrorize the Israelis into believing they may be damned forever if they try to fight back. Kind of like using bullets dipped in pigs blood against Mohammed's current fighting brigades. It's terrorizing because we can hardly know, without forensics, whether the victim was beheaded for their murder, or whether they were beheaded after their murder. The forensics team member suspected that with so many, unfound missing heads, the terrorists may have returned to Gaza with as many skulls as they could pack. Kind of like the scalping culture in the American-Indian wars.
     
    #283     Nov 4, 2023
  4. Cuddles

    Cuddles


    Israeli policy towards Hamas

    Benjamin Netanyahu had been Israel's prime minister for most of the two decades preceding the 2023 Israel–Hamas war, and was criticized for having championed a policy of empowering Hamas in Gaza.[585][586][587][588] This policy was part of a strategy to sabotage a two-state solution by confining the Palestinian Authority to the West Bank and weakening it, and to demonstrate to the Israeli public and western governments that Israel has no partner for peace.[589]

    This criticism was leveled by several Israeli officials, including former prime minister Ehud Barak, and former head of Shin Bet security services Yuval Diskin.[589] Saudi Arabia and the Palestinian Authority were also critical of Israel under Netanyahu allowing suitcases of Qatari money to be given to Hamas,[589] in exchange for maintaining the ceasefire.[585] The Times of Israel reported after the Hamas attack that Netanyahu's policy to treat the Palestinian Authority as a burden and Hamas as an asset had "blown up in our faces".[585]

    In 2019, Benjamin Netanyahu said at a meeting of his Likud party: "Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas. This is part of our strategy — to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."[590]

    In 2017, the PA government imposed its own sanctions against Gaza, including, among other things, cutting off salaries to thousands of PA employees, as well as financial assistance to hundreds of families in the Gaza Strip. The PA initially said it would stop paying for the electricity and fuel that Israel supplies to the Gaza Strip, but after a year partially backtracked.[393] The Israeli government has allowed millions of dollars from Qatar to be funneled on a regular basis through Israel to Hamas, to replace the millions of dollars the PA had stopped transferring to Hamas. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu explained that letting the money go through Israel meant that it could not be used for terrorism, saying: "Now that we are supervising, we know it's going to humanitarian causes."[394]
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2023
    #284     Nov 4, 2023
  5. Good1

    Good1

    My recent research suggests the Israelis could survive without it, but that their elimination of Mohammed's Mediaeval Time-Traveling Tunnel Rats would not be as surgical as it could be. There would then be more civilian casualties if they had to use an arsenal in reserve which would not be so discriminating about it's exact targets. This, according to former Israeli prime minister Ehud Barak, who says the more precise the IDF is in sparing civilians, the more troops it puts at risk. He also emphasizes that despite differences in internal politics, about what led up to this, and about what the region will look like afterwards, the nation is absolutely united with the goal of completely eliminating anything like a Hammas forever from the region. The ideology might live on elsewhere in the world, but not as their neighbors.

    Long story short, faced with a very messy carpet bombing, or the most precise extraction that tries to spare both hostages and civilians, a bible toting speaker of the house will probably do everything possible to get this 14 Billion to Israel's defense, raising the cost of proxy wars another $100 per US citizen, in addition to the already $900 pinned upon taxpayers (and inflation payers) in the past year.
     
    #285     Nov 4, 2023
  6. Good1

    Good1

    Well that's quite a story. I was introduced to it listening to Charlie Rose interview Ehud Barak recently. Makes Bibi look like James Bond on steroids and meth and fentanyl. Quite a story given that Mohammed's Mediaeval Time-Traveling Tunnel Rats have been firing so many shitty sugar rockets, for so many years, that every single house has a bomb shelter and everyone has a warning system in case an Iron Dome is not perfect. So Bibi was letting money launder through Israel to Mohammed's Mediaeval Time-Traveling Tunnel Rats just to maintain this kind of status quo? Just to avoid having to negotiate a two-state solution?

    All i can say is that it is now popular to conflate Trump and Bibi together on the same level of criminal corruption. All i can say is if Bibi is the same as Trump, then i consider him the victim of an internal political war that is becoming nastier and nastier and is probably not as guilty as one side says he is.

    The story still doesn't explain how anyone, including Bibi, is/was supposed to stop Mohammed's Mediaeval Time-Traveling Tunnel Rats from becoming a dictatorship that doesn't allow elections let alone competing parties. Doesn't explain how they came to power in the first place, with Bibi's help.

    By the way, who was responsible for reducing armament amongst the settlements? Who was responsible for their bomb shelters not having a locking mechanism to keep out infiltrators inside their homes...because they just expected the status quo of shitty sugar rockets to stay the same? So people had to stand there, holding the handle of their safe rooms, while infiltrators shot through the door.

    Possibly Israel was weakened, and made vulnerable by internal politics, just as the US is being weakened, and being made vulnerable by internal politics.

    But yah, Oct 7 is indeed suspicious, given what is known about Israel's normal state of alertness to border activity. In one story, a military reservist was able to drive his car all the way from north Israel down to Kibbutz Berri in time to actually have an effect on the battle there.

    Personally, i don't think there is a two state solution like Ehud Barak does. But during this time, there was indeed an opportunity for a three state solution, one under Israel, one under the dictator Abbas, and another under the dictators of Mohammed's Mediaeval Time-Traveling Tunnel Rats. What's wrong with a three state solution when the distance between West Bank and Gaza is separated with a ridiculous number of miles in between? I think all this talk about two-state is driving people crazy.

    Anyway, for some years, we witnessed a three-state solution, DE FACTO. And we have now seen how that works out.
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2023
    #286     Nov 4, 2023
  7. Cuddles

    Cuddles

    upload_2023-11-4_22-2-47.png
     
    #287     Nov 4, 2023
  8. Good1

    Good1

    Oh, is this the same as Trump inciting an insurrection so he could stay in power, despite knowing he lost the election?

    I'm not well versed enough in Israeli politics to know whether they too are suffering from the same level of depraved polarity, assisted by their own legacy media.

    Maybe Bibi is also guilty of overvaluing Gazan seaside property values so he could get bigger loans that he didn't deserve?

    And isn't Mohammed's Mediaeval Time-Traveling Tunnel Rats an effective government? I mean, how much more effective can you get when you are the sole dictator of Gaza, a dictatorship so apartied that Israel had to force their own citizens out of Gaza in 2005 for their own safety?

    Effective government? As if the dictator Abbas is effective? Or that Abbas was on the verge of signing a two-state solution, if only Mohammed's Mediaeval Time-Traveling Tunnel Rats weren't the defacto dictators of Gaza? What was Abbas ever effective at?

    Seriously, who, in hell, is responsible for the concept that the West Bank and Gaza, separated by miles of Israeli territory, has to be represented by one government...or none at all?!?$% I mean, how effective can you be with this kind of geographical separation? Was Abbas going to construct an eight-lane superhighway autobahn between West Bank and Gaza?
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2023
    #288     Nov 4, 2023
  9. M.W.

    M.W.

    Jewish hostages:

    upload_2023-11-4_21-45-8.png

     
    #289     Nov 5, 2023
  10. Buy1Sell2

    Buy1Sell2

    Louk was confirmed dead by Israeli officials and her family this week. While her body has not been recovered, a bone fragment from her skull was found at the festival site and confirmed to be hers by a DNA test.
     
    #290     Nov 6, 2023