Israel launches "preemptive strikes" against Iran

Discussion in 'Politics' started by insider trading, Jun 12, 2025.

  1. VicBee

    VicBee

    But Israel was right, Hamas was operating in the hospital and had a tunneled bunker underneath it. But you know that, you just wanted to make a righteous sounding analogy.
     
    #421     Jun 22, 2025
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  2. vztrdr

    vztrdr

    I was gonna say the same thing, but arguing with Ocho is like arguing with a stop sign. Nothing you can say will change it.
     
    #422     Jun 22, 2025
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  3. Nah you were told that and just believe it. Israel bombed hospitals, food centers, and civilian buildings claiming Hamas was all under there. Nothing I can say will change your bias against the facts man. You believe every civilian target was a Hamas stronghold? You believe Iran was targetting civilians but Israel was avoiding civilians and hitting military targets.

    Dont claim your ingorance is superior to being objective.
     
    #423     Jun 22, 2025
  4. Israel says that Hamas operates inside and underneath hospitals, and is using them for military operations, including as command centers, weapons stores and to hide hostages. The Israelis have released footage they say is evidence of those Hamas operations. The videos do not offer definitive proof, and Hamas has denied the claims.

    CNN sent a list of the hospitals identified as damaged or destroyed to the Israel Defense Forces (IDF). In response, the IDF said it “did not conduct any targeted attacks against hospitals in the Gaza Strip,” adding that “Hamas systematically misuses hospitals and medical facilities.”

    So.... Israel attacked hospitals...or they didnt attack hospitals....

    I do not believe Hamas nor do I believe Israel who has destroyed all of Gaza... you seem to jump on the side of the story that fits your narrative without questioning it at all. That is the epitome of turning a blind eye in favor of bias.

    Israel hospital got bombed and they are appalled..... I find it hard to believe that the 20-25 hospitals targetted by Israel were all Hamas HQs.
     
    #424     Jun 22, 2025
  5. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    Al-Shifa Hospital and Israeli Involvement
    • Al-Shifa Hospital, Gaza’s largest medical facility, was originally built during the British Mandate era but underwent significant renovations and expansions during Israel's occupation of Gaza after 1967.

    • Israeli authorities, during the occupation period, upgraded several hospitals and public facilities, including installing underground infrastructure, at times intended as bomb shelters, secure storage, or utility protection.
    Other topic, not an optimistic view now, the beginning has ended and it gets serious.
     
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    #425     Jun 22, 2025
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  6. VicBee

    VicBee

    And how do you know? Reading the Hamas Gazette? The only death count in Gaza comes from Hamas. Could they be biased? Are too many civilians dying in Gaza as a result of Israel's counter offensive? Certainly! Would they all still be alive if Hamas hadn't attacked and killed 1200 Israelis on October 7, 2023? Definitely!
     
    #426     Jun 23, 2025
  7. vztrdr

    vztrdr

    I'm not there. I only know what I see on TV. Now, I assume the same applies to you. If you have some basis to this Israeli conspiracy theory as it applies to current events, by all means post us a link.

    But with that said, when I see reputable journalists that have no dog in the fight reporting what they have seen with their own eyes... I'm gonna go with them over you for now.

    But your remark is noted. Basically, "Hamas has no tunnels under hospitals in Gaza to hide themselves."

    Pretty sure you're wrong on that one, but give us a link that disproves it and I'm all ears.
     
    #427     Jun 23, 2025
  8. wrbtrader

    wrbtrader

    For what it's worth, I strongly believe the United States could have easily given Israel the weapons it needed to destroy the potential nuclear capability of Iran as the U.S. has given Israel many other weapons for multiple decades now.

    Oh wait, Israel has its own "bunker buster bombs". :banghead:

    Thus, the U.S. could have not involved itself by using "bunker buster bombs" on Iran. If I remember correctly when I served, Israel had similar like bombs to blow up the deep tunnels in Palestine via something called the GBU-28...5,000-pound weapon, and now a GBU-72 that the Israeli Air Force use their F-15s to drop the bombs.

    Therefore, it's possible the U.S. became involved when we realized or heard reports that Iran was targeting the Israeli hospitals although Israel has been known to target Hospitals in Gaza because they said they had intelligence reports the hospitals where being used by Hamas.

    The Hospital bombings has always been a tool for creating mass anger and condemnation from the world by both sides in the past. It's been that way in all Wars in the world...a tool to gather support and to get other countries involved.​

    Simply, I do wish the U.S. had stayed out of it because Israel and Iran have too long of a history of trying to kill each other off and will continue to do so for many more decades long after we're buried or cremated by our families.

    Thus, why did the U.S. get involved when Israel has the capability to do the same type of "bunker busting bombing" although with different types of planes ???​

    I thought heavily about the above question and then remembered we still have military bases nearby Iran with our elite military units from the Army, Marines, and Navy...Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and Israel.

    Those locations serve as hubs for air operations, naval deployments, and intelligence gathering.

    Maybe there was intelligence reports that the public is not aware of that those military bases were in danger from an eminent attack...it's happened before in the past long before the Gulf War.

    P.S. Israel does have nuclear weapons and I do not believe has threaten any country with its nuclear weapons. Iran has threaten Israel and the United States to use other types of deadly weapons on U.S. soil via their "sleeper cells".

    We've had "sleeper cells" in North America since I served. Today, it would be foolish of me to believe they are no longer here but I do not believe they entered the U.S. through the southern border under Biden as Trump wants us to believe.

    Sleeper cells have been here long before Trump and the operatives have entered the U.S. under the administration of every U.S. President including the Trump administration.

    In my opinion, they entered the U.S. as vacationers or radical students on commercial airplanes and cruises...never left...disappeared into the American society. Yet, I'm more worried about our troops abroad at the above mentioned U.S. military bases.

    https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/5363528-us-border-patrol-iranian-sleeper-cells-threat/

    wrbtrader
     
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    #428     Jun 23, 2025

  9. Rocket Man built nukes under Bush,not Clinton.Bush also said he wasn't concerned about Bin Laden and let him get away in Tora Bora.9-11 also happened on Bushs watch.Bush also got warnings from the CIA months before 9-11 that Bin Laden was about to attack with hijacked airplanes.


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  10. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    You left no room.
     
    #430     Jun 23, 2025
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