Israel launches "preemptive strikes" against Iran

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  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

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    #351     Jun 21, 2025
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  2. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    The M.E. conflict is Jews and Palestinians.
     
    #352     Jun 21, 2025
  3. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    So Native Americans should be able to take back their lands from us WASPs huh (although the p doesn't describe me)?

    Or does land "ownership" only qualify if a fictional story from a couple thousand years ago says it does.

    Sioux, Apache etc are wrong skin tone, wrong religion, wrong timeframe?

    Last post reply to the ignorant.
     
    #353     Jun 21, 2025
  4. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Let's provide the information from @ph1l once again...

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    Comparison of Muslim Deaths by Other Muslims vs. by Jews in the Middle East
    Muslims Killed by Other Muslims

    • The overwhelming majority of violent Muslim deaths in the Middle East since the mid-20th century have been caused by conflicts between Muslim groups, including civil wars, sectarian violence, and terrorism.

    • According to data compiled by the Middle East Forum, between 1950 and 2007, approximately 11 million Muslims were violently killed, and over 90% of these deaths were caused by fellow Muslims7. This includes major conflicts such as the Iran-Iraq War, the Syrian Civil War, the Iraq War, the Yemeni Civil War, and violence in Afghanistan and Pakistan7.

    • Recent conflicts like the Syrian Civil War alone have caused hundreds of thousands of deaths, primarily among Muslims, at the hands of other Muslim factions7.
    Muslims Killed by Jews (Primarily Israeli-Arab Conflicts)
    • Fatalities from Arab-Israeli wars and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict are significantly lower in comparison. Since 1948, about 35,000 Arabs (the vast majority of whom were Muslims) have died in fighting with Israel7.

    • This number represents about 0.3% of all Muslim violent deaths in the region in that period—roughly 1 out of every 315 Muslim fatalities7.

    • Recent escalations, such as the 2023-2024 Gaza conflict, have seen high daily death rates, with Oxfam reporting that the Israeli military was killing Palestinians at an average rate of 250 people per day at one point6. However, even when adding up all deaths from the Arab-Israeli conflict since 1948, the total remains a small fraction compared to those killed in intra-Muslim violence7.
    Summary Table
    Category
    Estimated Deaths (since 1948) Main Causes/Conflicts
    Muslims killed by other Muslims ~10,000,000+ Civil wars, sectarian violence, terrorism (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, Afghanistan, etc.)71112
    Muslims killed by Jews (Israel) ~35,000 Arab-Israeli wars, Israeli-Palestinian conflict76

    Key Points
    • The vast majority of Muslims killed in the Middle East have died at the hands of other Muslims, not Jews712.
    • Deaths caused by Israel in the Arab-Israeli conflict, while significant and highly publicized, are a small fraction of the total number of Muslim deaths in the region since 19487.
    • Intra-Muslim conflicts, including civil wars and sectarian violence, have been far more deadly for Muslim populations than the Arab-Israeli conflict71112.
    This comparison is supported by multiple sources and reflects the broader patterns of violence in the Middle East over the past several decades.
    1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_under_Muslim_rule
    2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world
    3. https://www.timesofisrael.com/compa...uae-royal-suggests-jews-are-hung-up-on-shoah/
    4. https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/remembering-muslims-murdered-auschwitz
    5. https://www.jns.org/hamas-also-slaughters-muslims/
    6. https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-rele...r-any-other-major-21st-century-conflict-oxfam
    7. https://www.meforum.org/arab-israeli-fatalities-rank-49th
    8. https://www.scu.edu/ethics/focus-areas/more-focus-areas/resources/killing-in-the-name-of-god/
    9. https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-treatment-of-jews-in-arab-islamic-countries
    10. https://www.unaoc.org/repository/Esposito_Jihad_Holy_Unholy.pdf
    11. https://cla.umn.edu/chgs/holocaust-...mass-violence-and-genocide-islamic-statedaesh
    12. https://www.csis.org/analysis/islam-and-patterns-terrorism-and-violent-extremism

    TLDR: A lot more Muslims have been killed in the Middle East by Muslims than by Jews. This really shouldn't be surprising because there are a lot more Muslims in the Middle East than Jews, and humans seem to often like killing other humans.
     
    #354     Jun 21, 2025
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Just the Iranian regime calling out directly for the murder of the head of the IAEA.

    Iran appears to threaten the International Atomic Energy Agency chief amid tensions with Israel
    https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/israel-iran-conflict-june-21-2025#post-3eac04f

    Ali Larijani, an advisor to Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khmenei, appeared to threaten the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in a post on X.

    "Once the war is over, we will deal with Grossi," Larijani wrote on X, according to a translation by Grok. The post is referring to IAEA Director General Rafael Mariano Grossi.

    Israeli Foreign Affairs Minister Gideon Sa'ar responded on X, writing, "It would have been unbelievable if it weren’t about Iran. Now they’re openly threatening the head of the International Atomic Energy Agency. A mafia state!"

    On Friday, Grossi addressed the U.N. Security Council about the state of the conflict. He called for "maximum restraint" and warned that "military escalation threatens lives and delays indispensable work towards a diplomatic solution to provide assurances about the peaceful nature of Iran’s nuclear activities."
     
    #355     Jun 21, 2025
  6. Well, this is where the meat is in that article, the last paragraph.

    Let's be clear that the Green Revolution protests, whenever that was about twelve years ago I think, loom large in the mind of the regime. Having internal protests and then having the protesters see that the world is cheering them on is the nightmare they fear- once again. If you cut off incoming and outgoing communication you can avoid that. That's the plan anyway.

    And- above- the article alludes to the fact that the Israelis are probably positioned to whip up dissent and no one doubts that but the regime is also painfully aware that their own stupid-arsed actions tend to create martyrs from the protesters and then the thing takes on a life of its own. The last time their were large protests the morality police took a young female protester into custody for removing her headscarf and - brace yourself- showing some hair. From there they took her into custody and beat her to death, although the regime says she died from a peanut allergy or the Americans killed her, whatever. Yeh, you can blame it on the Israelis but the Iranians do not come out looking good whenever you increase communication. Solution? Kill any communication.

    Iran turned this woman into a martyr overnight. Not the Israelis, not the Americans.
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    #356     Jun 21, 2025
  7. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    In the 20th century a lot of Muslims killed other Muslims. That pales in comparison to the number of Christians who killed Christians in Europe.

    That’s not a statement about religion to the boys, it's a nuanced reflection of how civil war, empire, authoritarianism, and power struggles have always worked. Thanks to the Dunning Kruger effect however, in the Middle East its because of their religion (to TFT and GWB and others).

    Truly, the movie The Ugly Amercian needs to be remade for modern audiences. I'm in Hollywood, I should tell someone.

    Breakfast...
     
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    #357     Jun 21, 2025
  8. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    #358     Jun 21, 2025
  9. Tuxan

    Tuxan

    The absurdity of religious essentialiam...
     
    #359     Jun 21, 2025
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Florida lawmaker sparks fury predicting surging Muslim candidate Zohran Mamdani will turn NYC into Tehran
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...-predicts-zohran-mamdani-turn-nyc-tehran.html


    So the NYC subway is going to be upgraded.
     
    #360     Jun 21, 2025
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