Israel launches "preemptive strikes" against Iran

Discussion in 'Politics' started by insider trading, Jun 12, 2025.

  1. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Let's take a look at reality. Trump can have the U.S. Air Force drop multiple bunker-busters from B-2 bombers on the Fordow nuclear site -- while pretending to have nothing to do with it ("Hey, must have been Israel".) This level of involvement is easily deniable -- however the problem is that Trump's ego will have him out bragging what a beautiful job his military did on the Iranian bunkers.

    Involvement in the war beyond dropping bunker busters is not easily deniable. The most likely scenario is that Iran will mine the Strait of Hormuz blocking oil tanker traffic. This will lead to a U.S. naval response that will target Iran's naval resources on a wide-scale.

    At this point all we are seeing is TACO Trump prevaricating hourly regarding a U.S. attack -- depending on who talked to him last apparently.
     
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    #321     Jun 19, 2025
  2. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Why don't you just take a look at the period between WW1 and WW2. The era after the fall of the Ottoman empire involved endless strife and bloodshed in the region as different Muslim minorities attempted to dominate in their localities.

    You claimed "There was no M. E. conflict before that all took place."
    This is false. There was plenty of conflict and bloodshed in the region before the establishment of Israel in 1948.
     
    #322     Jun 19, 2025
  3. Iran is a muslim conquest arabic invasion superimposed on Persians in about the year 700 or so.

    The impact is still obvious. Bunch of jihadi nutcases mixed in with a previously high civilization. Many/most are still hoping to dial the civilized part back up a bit. The Persians were not muslim, they were Zoroastrian- a religion that focused on choosing good over evil. Not something the muslims wanted around.
     
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    #323     Jun 19, 2025
  4. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Clearly the M.E. Conflict is about Jews and Arabs. Not Arabs and Arabs.
     
    #324     Jun 19, 2025
  5. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading

    Yet Muslims have killed more Muslims in the Middle East than Jews have killed Muslims.

    Even in Gaza, Hamas has killed more Palestinians since 2005 than the IDF has.

    The ME Conflict has always been about Arabs killing Arabs. It is the primary conflict taking place in the region and accounts for 90% of the bloodshed.
     
    #325     Jun 19, 2025
  6. mervyn

    mervyn

    live
     
    #326     Jun 19, 2025
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  7. SunTrader

    SunTrader

    Nonsense altered reality. Done.
     
    #327     Jun 19, 2025
  8. ph1l

    ph1l

    https://www.perplexity.ai/search/can-you-compare-the-number-of-q3KSp.TvTquwZU7PxQRusQ
    TLDR: A lot more Muslims have been killed in the Middle East by Muslims than by Jews. This really shouldn't be surprising because there are a lot more Muslims in the Middle East than Jews, and humans seem to often like killing other humans.
     
    #328     Jun 19, 2025
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  9. All of that being true, nevertheless, there is important reason why some often point out than more muslims are killed by muslims to wit:

    One of the big muslim narratives - especially right after 9/11- was that westerners were a bunch of cultural idiots that simply did not understand Islam. The undercurrent was that there would be no conflict- or less conflict if westerners just understood islam or if everyone suddenly converted to islam all the problems would go away.

    Not so.

    If you are a Sufi Muslim, the Shiites and Sunnis treat you as a heretic and your life is in danger in many places. If you are a Wahabi Muslim everyone who is not Wahabi is an infidel and those fuckers are dangerous. And the Shiites and Sunnis treat each other as infidels and love to kill each other. I am pretty sure the problem is not that they grew up in the West and cannot understand Islam.
     
    #329     Jun 19, 2025
  10. gwb-trading

    gwb-trading


    Not that anything Karoline says is meaningful in terms of actual policy direction. This statement simply means that TACO Trump has not made up his mind and nobody in his administration knows what he will do.

    Trump will make a decision on Iran within next 2 weeks, White House says
    https://abcnews.go.com/Internationa...-live-updates/?id=122881565&entryId=123016265

    White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt, at the top of her briefing on Thursday, shared a message from President Trump regarding the Israel-Iran conflict.

    "I know there has been a lot of speculation amongst all you in the media regarding the president's decision making and regarding whether or not the United States will be directly," Leavitt said.

    "I have a message directly from the president: 'Based on the fact that there's a substantial chance of negotiations that may or may not take place with Iran in the near future, I will make my decision whether or not to go within the next two weeks,'" Leavitt said, adding that's a direct quote from Trump.
     
    #330     Jun 19, 2025