Israel is "barking on the wrong tree"

Discussion in 'Politics' started by SouthAmerica, Oct 21, 2009.

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    November 8, 2009

    SouthAmerica: Here is another example of the “Jewish Lobby” at work.

    This story became almost immediately today’s most popular story on that website.

    Let's add more fuel to the fire; since every bit helps in keeping the gravy train coming from the United States to Israel.


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    “Lieberman Suggests Army Shooter Was 'Home-Grown Terrorist'”
    By BRODY MULLINS
    The Wall Street Journal
    NOVEMBER 8, 2009, 8:18 P.M. ET

    A senior U.S. senator on Sunday said the shootings at Fort Hood could have been a terrorist attack, and that he would launch a congressional investigation into whether the U.S. military could have prevented it.

    Sen. Joe Lieberman, an independent from Connecticut who heads the Senate's Homeland Security and Government Affairs Committee, said initial evidence suggested that the alleged shooter, Army Major Nidal Hasan, was a "self-radicalized, home-grown terrorist" who had turned to Islamic extremism while under personal stress.

    …Mr. Lieberman, appearing on "Fox News Sunday," cautioned that it remained too early to draw any definitive conclusions. He said his comments were based on "reports that we are receiving" about Mr. Hasan's actions and comments.

    …"We don't know enough to say now, but there are very, very strong warning signs here that Dr. Hasan had become an Islamist extremist and, therefore, that this was a terrorist act," Mr. Lieberman added.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125769764441836773.html?mod=rss_Today's_Most_Popular

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    #51     Nov 8, 2009
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  3. Lord, who cares what the brazailians think abt the Israeli-palestinian conflict?


    stop your delusions of grandeur, southamerica:mad:
     
    #53     Nov 23, 2009
  4. Those damn Jews at it again with their propaganda.

    Hamas News reports that Dr. Hasan is really a Mossad agent specifically trained by the Hebs to sully the reputation of the peaceful Muslims in America!
     
    #54     Nov 23, 2009
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    MohdSalleh: Lord, who cares what the Brazilians think about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict?

    stop your delusions of grandeur, South America.


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    SouthAmerica: I don’t care about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    The Israelis that went nuts when they found out that the president of Iran was going to meet Lula. The Israelis even requested to come to Brazil to meet Lula before the president of Iran was supposed to visit Brazil.

    The fact that the president of Iran is visiting Brazil it does not bother me a bit.

    The US mainstream media is the one that is making a big deal about his visit to Brazil.

    In my opinion the world pays too much attention to Israel (a little country with a few million people) instead of paying more attention to countries such as China, India, Brazil and Russia.

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    #55     Nov 23, 2009
  6. The problem is that too many losers like you pay attention to Israel.

    Aren't you paying attention to Israel by coming up with this thread "Israel is Barking on the Wrong Tree," and constantly working it?
     
    #56     Nov 23, 2009
  7. And you are trying very hard to stop me from puting the spotlight on the fact that the United States has been supporting Israel all these years going completely against the self-interest of the United States on that area of the world.

    And some day the American people will start questioning their blind support for Israel all these years and all the real costs to the American people.

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    #57     Nov 24, 2009
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    November 24, 2009

    SouthAmerica: Today’s newspaper headline says: “Ahmadinejad said that the USA and Israel don’t have the guts to attack Iran”

    The article said that a Jewish group and a group of homosexuals protested during the visit of Ahmadinejad…

    Ahmadinejad also said: “…Iran is a democratic country and it does not need the support of president Lula to make it legitim its government. The legitimacy of the government comes from the people in Iran, and not from any third party. Our relations are based on friendship” said the president.

    Ahmadinejad also said: ...that Brazilian people is a people that the Iranians really like it.


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    “Ahmadinejad diz que EUA e Israel não teriam coragem de atacar o Irã”
    SOFIA FERNANDES - colaboração para a Folha Online, em Brasília
    Folha de Sao Paulo
    November 24, 2009

    O presidente iraniano, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, disse nesta segunda-feira, em Brasília, que Israel e Estados Unidos não teriam coragem de atacar seu país, ao responder a uma pergunta sobre o que faria caso os Estados Unidos encabeçassem uma invasão ao território iraniano. As potências ocidentais pressionam Teerã a aceitar uma fiscalização mais rígida sobre seu programa nuclear, que os israelenses consideram uma ameaça.

    "O tempo é de diálogo e do pensamento. Armas e ameaças pertencem ao passado, até para as pessoas atrasadas mentalmente", afirmou Ahmadinejad, em uma entrevista coletiva. Ao longo do dia, ele se encontrou com o presidente Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva e visitou o Congresso Nacional.

    Durante a entrevista, concedida no hotel onde o presidente está hospedado, em Brasília, um rapaz entrou na sala, segurando a bandeira colorida símbolo do orgulho gay. O rapaz foi expulso da sala por oficiais da Polícia Federal.

    Grupos judaicos, de defesa dos direitos humanos e entidades de defesa dos direitos dos homossexuais protestaram contra a visita do presidente iraniano, que já afirmou não haver homossexuais em seu país, questiona o Holocausto e já falou em varrer Israel do mapa.

    Ahmadinejad afirmou, respondendo à pergunta da imprensa, que as pessoas estão livres em seu país para expressar suas ideias.

    "No Irã as pessoas podem apresentar seus pontos de vista, também existe essa liberdade", disse. O presidente emendou sua resposta falando que "o povo brasileiro é um povo de que nós gostamos".

    O presidente iraniano esquivou-se de responder se é a favor da solução de dois Estados independentes para resolver o conflito israelo-palestino.

    Ele defendeu a união palestina, e disse que o problema do povo palestino deve ser resolvido pela raiz.

    "Para solucionar, temos que pensar nas raízes desse problema. É como uma doença. Se não conhecermos o motivo da doença não conseguimos tratar."

    Sobre os cinco presos condenados à morte, em função dos protestos contra supostas fraudes na votação que o reelegeu, em junho, Ahmadinejad disse que qualquer país tem seus regulamentos e que o poder Judiciário iraniano é muito independente. "Se o motorista ultrapassar um sinal vai ser multado", afirmou.

    O Irã é um país democrático e não precisa do apoio do presidente Lula para legitimar seu governo. "Legitimidade do governo vem do povo, não de outra parte. Nossas relações são baseadas na amizade", disse o presidente.

    Ahmadinejad está nesta segunda-feira em Brasília na primeira viagem oficial de um presidente iraniano ao Brasil. Ele Viaja amanhã às 5h para Bolívia. Depois, segue para Venezuela, Gâmbia e Senegal. Uma comitiva com 198 empresários veio com o líder iraniano para negociações com o empresariado brasileiro.

    A entrevista coletiva foi o último compromisso do presidente iraniano no Brasil. Uma palestra que estava marcada para a noite desta segunda-feira em uma faculdade de Brasília foi cancelada. Segundo a assessoria de imprensa da embaixada iraniana, o Gabinete de Segurança Institucional da Presidência da República (GSI) afirmou que não poderia garantir a segurança do local, mas a informação não foi confirmada pela Presidência brasileira.

    http://www1.folha.uol.com.br/folha/mundo/ult94u656578.shtml

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    #58     Nov 24, 2009
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    November 24, 2009

    SouthAmerica: I wonder if the United States is finally waking up regarding the real self-interest of the United States as a nation in the Middle East.

    Quoting from today’s article on the Financial Times (UK): “His implicit comparison of the “intolerable” situation of the Palestinians under Israeli “occupation” with the struggles of African slaves in America and South African black people under apartheid surely signalled to the irredentist right in Israel and their allies in Washington that they were dealing with someone who means business. This was language seldom heard from an American leader.

    ...Vital to that alliance is US support in the UN Security Council, where it has cast 29 vetoes to shield Israel from condemnation for its actions in the occupied territories. Imagine the signal the US would send were it even to abstain.”


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    “Obama still has leverage over Israel”
    By David Gardner
    Published: November 24, 2009
    Financial Times (UK)

    Has Barack Obama made a hash of his Middle East peace diplomacy? That seems to be the verdict of international commentators and – more to the point – of Palestinian leaders in despair at ever getting their own state and an Israeli government exulting that it made the US president blink first.

    Yet, it is worth stepping outside the hothouse for a minute to examine whether it is that simple: whether Mr Obama will be content to see his ambitious strategy of reconciliation with the Arab and Muslim worlds held hostage by the obdurate obstruction of the government of Benjamin Netanyahu.

    In his rapturously received speech at Cairo University in June, President Obama started a new conversation in and about the Middle East. Publicly restating what he had just said privately in Washington to Mr Netanyahu, whose rightwing coalition refuses to rein in colonisation of Palestinian land or push a two-state solution, Mr Obama made the ultra-parsed statement that “the United States does not accept the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements”. When he told Israel that “part of being a good friend is being honest”, the country’s political elites got an inkling that decades of double-talk on the conflict with the Palestinians were over. When he added that “just as Israel’s right to exist cannot be denied, neither can Palestine’s”, any remaining doubts were surely dissipated. Weren’t they?

    His implicit comparison of the “intolerable” situation of the Palestinians under Israeli “occupation” with the struggles of African slaves in America and South African black people under apartheid surely signalled to the irredentist right in Israel and their allies in Washington that they were dealing with someone who means business. This was language seldom heard from an American leader.

    …The settlers now number close to half a million Israelis, including those in east Jerusalem. The system of segregated “bypass” roads, some 600 military checkpoints in an area the size of Lincolnshire or Delaware, and the “separation” barrier that cuts deep into the West Bank, foreclose on any practical possibility of a self-governing Palestinian state.

    It may be that this archipelago of Bantustans means the dream of disentangling the Holy Land into two states is over. But there is no other viable option – for the Israelis or the Palestinians. The alternative is to sleep-walk into a bi-national entity that would undermine the foundations of a democratic Jewish state, with the Palestinians’ quest for equal rights taking on the appearance of the fight against apartheid in South Africa. Will Mr Obama simply let this happen?

    He clearly sees it as in Israel’s long-term security interest and the US national interest to reach a fair settlement of the Palestinian conflict.

    He also sees how the problems of the region have become interlinked – especially since the invasion of Iraq enhanced Iranian influence and sank America’s reputation deeper into the mire – and how an Israel-Palestine deal could start to reverse that. But as US president he holds some cards.

    Israelis have a record of turning against leaders who place the vital US alliance in jeopardy: Menachem Begin learnt this, Yitzhak Shamir learnt this and so, to a limited extent, did Mr Netanyahu, when he was voted out of office in 1999.

    Vital to that alliance is US support in the UN Security Council, where it has cast 29 vetoes to shield Israel from condemnation for its actions in the occupied territories. Imagine the signal the US would send were it even to abstain. Or, better still, if the US and its allies took a blueprint for a two-state solution – the outlines of which have long been clear – to the council and voted it through. This game is not over yet.

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    #59     Nov 24, 2009
  10. I am trying very hard to stop you from spewing your Antisemitic hate??

    There are 5,000,000,000 Antisemites out there. You think you are something special with your anti-Jewish hate propaganda here? Stop it already with your delusions of grandeur!

    I was just trying to show that you are an illogical moron, and I believed I succeeded. Now I will classify you as a moronic untermensch southamerica and place you on my subhuman list id est ignore list.
     
    #60     Nov 24, 2009