Israel is "barking on the wrong tree"

Just saw this part of your ill-informed rant. For anyone reading this, the above quote is a complete and utter fabrication. North American Jews are intensely devoted to Israel and many children of American Jews go over to Israel and volunteer for the Army, as is the right of any Jew worldwide. There is intense pride in Israel among young American Jewish men and women and events of the past ten years, characterized by the cynical efforts of people like south america, has caused them to rally behind Israel as never before.

No matter what people like south american do or say, Israel and the Jews will prosper. They will be left mumbling their bigotry to each other in back alleys, which is where they belong.

 

Agree, my jewish friends who were ambivalent about Israel are re-evaluating.

 

You think that's bad, you should have seen his pick to win the world cup.

 

You mama...between her loud moans you little whore.

 

Don't be so tough on yourself. I'm sure they make very fine baskets in your home...erm...village.

 

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September 9, 2010

SouthAmerica: Reply to Optimal

All I need is a little piece of the city of Sao Paulo to compete with Israel.

If I take the great Sao Paulo then the population would be close to 22 million people, and the GDP would be a much larger figure.

São Paulo is the 10th richest city in the world and according to data of IBGE, its gross domestic product (GDP) in 2006 was R$ 300 billion, equivalent to approximately 12.26% of the Brazilian GDP.

Population (2009) = 11,037,593 people


Brazil's GDP = $2.013 trillion (2009 est.)

São Paulo's GDP = $ 250 billion (2010 est.)


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Israel population = 7,300,000/GDP = 194 billion

Note: Israel's economy depends heavily on the Gravy Train that comes year after year from the United States, and without this Gravy Train the Israeli economy would not be anything to write home about it.

Just keep in mind: the Gravy Train coming from the United States is about to reach the end of the road.

You can bet on that.


PS: How does it feel to make such an idiot of yourself in public?

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Optimal: With regard to Israel, it will be here as long as humans organize into countries, and radicals like yourself will always try to tear her down.


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September 9, 2010

SouthAmerica: Reply to Optimal

You live in Israel.

Now I understand why you are defending your country.

I feel sorry for you, since you live in such a messy area of the world.

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September 9, 2010

SouthAmerica: Reply to Optimal

The New York Times article said: "The philanthropists wanted to know what Jewish students thought about Israel. Luntz found that they mostly didn’t. “Six times we have brought Jewish youth together as a group to talk about their Jewishness and connection to Israel,” he reported. “Six times the topic of Israel did not come up until it was prompted. Six times these Jewish youth used the word ‘they‘ rather than ‘us‘ to describe the situation.

That Luntz encountered indifference was not surprising. In recent years, several studies have revealed, in the words of Steven Cohen of Hebrew Union College and Ari Kelman of the University of California at Davis, that “non-Orthodox younger Jews, on the whole, feel much less attached to Israel than their elders,” with many professing “a near-total absence of positive feelings."


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The Failure of the American Jewish Establishment
By: Peter Beinart
The New York Times – June 10, 2010

In 2003, several prominent Jewish philanthropists hired Republican pollster Frank Luntz to explain why American Jewish college students were not more vigorously rebutting campus criticism of Israel. In response, he unwittingly produced the most damning indictment of the organized American Jewish community that I have ever seen.

The philanthropists wanted to know what Jewish students thought about Israel. Luntz found that they mostly didn’t. “Six times we have brought Jewish youth together as a group to talk about their Jewishness and connection to Israel,” he reported. “Six times the topic of Israel did not come up until it was prompted. Six times these Jewish youth used the word ‘they‘ rather than ‘us‘ to describe the situation.”

That Luntz encountered indifference was not surprising. In recent years, several studies have revealed, in the words of Steven Cohen of Hebrew Union College and Ari Kelman of the University of California at Davis, that “non-Orthodox younger Jews, on the whole, feel much less attached to Israel than their elders,” with many professing “a near-total absence of positive feelings.” In 2008, the student senate at Brandeis, the only nonsectarian Jewish-sponsored university in America, rejected a resolution commemorating the sixtieth anniversary of the Jewish state.

Luntz’s task was to figure out what had gone wrong. When he probed the students’ views of Israel, he hit up against some firm beliefs. First, “they reserve the right to question the Israeli position.” These young Jews, Luntz explained, “resist anything they see as ‘group think.’” They want an “open and frank” discussion of Israel and its flaws. Second, “young Jews desperately want peace.” When Luntz showed them a series of ads, one of the most popular was entitled “Proof that Israel Wants Peace,” and listed offers by various Israeli governments to withdraw from conquered land. Third, “some empathize with the plight of the Palestinians.” When Luntz displayed ads depicting Palestinians as violent and hateful, several focus group participants criticized them as stereotypical and unfair, citing their own Muslim friends.

Most of the students, in other words, were liberals, broadly defined. They had imbibed some of the defining values of American Jewish political culture: a belief in open debate, a skepticism about military force, a commitment to human rights. And in their innocence, they did not realize that they were supposed to shed those values when it came to Israel. The only kind of Zionism they found attractive was a Zionism that recognized Palestinians as deserving of dignity and capable of peace, and they were quite willing to condemn an Israeli government that did not share those beliefs. Luntz did not grasp the irony. The only kind of Zionism they found attractive was the kind that the American Jewish establishment has been working against for most of their lives.

...Since the 1990s, journalists and scholars have been describing a bifurcation in Israeli society. In the words of Hebrew University political scientist Yaron Ezrahi, “After decades of what came to be called a national consensus, the Zionist narrative of liberation [has] dissolved into openly contesting versions.” One version, “founded on a long memory of persecution, genocide, and a bitter struggle for survival, is pessimistic, distrustful of non-Jews, and believing only in Jewish power and solidarity.” Another, “nourished by secularized versions of messianism as well as the Enlightenment idea of progress,” articulates “a deep sense of the limits of military force, and a commitment to liberal-democratic values.” Every country manifests some kind of ideological divide. But in contemporary Israel, the gulf is among the widest on earth.

...But these secular Zionists aren’t reproducing themselves. Their children have no memory of Arab armies massed on Israel’s border and of Israel surviving in part thanks to urgent military assistance from the United States. Instead, they have grown up viewing Israel as a regional hegemon and an occupying power. As a result, they are more conscious than their parents of the degree to which Israeli behavior violates liberal ideals, and less willing to grant Israel an exemption because its survival seems in peril. Because they have inherited their parents’ liberalism, they cannot embrace their uncritical Zionism. Because their liberalism is real, they can see that the liberalism of the American Jewish establishment is fake.

...As former Knesset speaker Avraham Burg writes in his remarkable 2008 book, The Holocaust Is Over; We Must Rise From Its Ashes, “Victimhood sets you free.” This obsession with victimhood lies at the heart of why Zionism is dying among America’s secular Jewish young. It simply bears no relationship to their lived experience, or what they have seen of Israel’s.


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Peter Beinart is Associate Professor of Journalism and Political Science at the City University of New York, a Senior Fellow at the New America Foundation, and Senior Political Writer for The Daily Beast. His new book, The Icarus Syndrome: A History of American Hubris, will be published in June.


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