Your complete lack of objectivity is obvious from the number of posts you made bashing Palestinians (ZERO) and the number of your posts bashing Israelis (MANY). The difference between me and you is that I admit to having no objectivity, you on the other side are deluding yourself... and probably no one else. Then again my position is based on facts, research and history, yours is based on generalities and simplistic (and often inaccurate) observations.
The far left and middle easterners love conspiracy theories and cannot believe themselves to be the source of problems!! The rest of us are going through life with these folks dragging themselves along by hanging onto our leg and complaining in their most dismal or shrill possible voices about all the injustice we are doing to them and what all we should be giving them. Outside of that they are all fine people and I like them a lot [when they shut up]. I know some Palestinians personally, in the US. They call themselves Armenians but they bitch about being kicked out of Palestine by the British. They lost a war against the Brits and 50 years later when everybody does not know history any more they bitch about the Brits kicking them out of their land!! Their leader was in Germany helping Hitler kill Jews and Americans the whole war and they bitch to me about losing some piece of shit 4 walls thay called a home in Palestine. To know these people is to really, really, really, never care about their little beef with Israel, believe me.
Z10 is definitely not objective on this issue. He managed in this thread to say both sides are wrong, but that is just to satisfy his ability to make his argument. It doesn't take much time to go back to other threads and see how he chooses repeatedly to denounce Israel while Palestinians get a free pass. He has made bigoted remarks as he did about Rearden Metal calling him a drug addicted Jew. He will try to argue that he is stating a fact that Rearden is a Jew, but we all know he was using the word in a derogatory manner. This guy has never directly condemned the actions of the Palestinians without adding the caveat that Israel is just as much to blame. However, he will denounce the Jews while saying nothing against the actions of the Palestinians.
Both sides are wrong, I have been saying that on these message boards for years.... I have never given killing by the Palestinians a "free pass." Indescriminate killing is wrong, suicide bombing is wrong, period. BOTH SIDES ARE WRONG. Oh, and RM is a drug addicted Jew, and if he were Arab he would be a drug addicted Arab. Perry "Fucking" Mason... ROTFLMAO...
Hi RobMc Thanks for the reply. Ok, I think I understand your position. You are essentially saying that even if the majority in Palestine implicitly support the kidnapping (and this is by no means a given in your opinion) it is a essentially a political stance and civilians should not be targeted because of their politics. Also, it is the same as targeting someone who voted for Bush because you think it implies he wants the death of all Muslims or takes a similarly hard line against those who actively seek to undermine U.S. hegemony; some who voted for Hamas may not support the kidnapping, is that correct? With regard to the 'with us or agin' us' stance taken by the right, I agree, it is so obviously simplistic. But that's the stock in trade of the hard right. Complex ideas and analysis don't go over well with them - they need easily understandable statements and directives, like '40% of blacks are idiots', 'the liberals want to murder U.S. citizens', 'those who support a woman's right to choose are murderers' or Jerry Springer-like stuff like 'Her Mom is pregnant - her boyfriend is the father' or my recent fav from spect8or, 'blacks are the genetic underclass'. Nice and simple, easy to understand.
Nik To your first point - now that I have been accused by rabid dddooo of somehow having Israeli civilian blood on my hands, you can imagine I am wary of having my argument summarised by others but in keeping with your reasonable approach I guess the answer is, well, kind of, yeah, more or less. To your second point - we seem to be agreeing. It is a well known "attack dog" approach to shout accusations louder and louder on the basis that hopefully some shit will eventually stick and cause discredit. My stance is based on a fundamental principle which I believe in. Others, and I won't go for the cheap shot, seem to believe whatever Israel does is ok. Absence of critical faculties eventually always reduces a persons argument to name calling, as we have seen quite clearly here. Signing of for a long weekend Have a Happy and Safe 4th of July Cheers Rob