Islamofascists target schoolchildren - what else is new?

what the hell?

hey dddooo, do you know what the deal is with these pictures? They seem to be modern pictures showing Muslims (I presume, in the top 4 pictures) using the Nazi salute? Is there some precedent in Islamic practice that would explain why they are using a salute that looks like the Nazi salute?

If possible (a tall order, I know) can we put aside the partisanship for a moment and can someone give me a direct, acccurate answer to this question? I would particulary like to hear from someone from the Muslim side who can give me a historical/cultural precedent for the use of this type of arm-raising in Islamic culture, that is, one that predates the Nazi use of it. Is it possible that the Nazis co-opted this salute from Islamic culture and that it didn't have any anti-Jewish import before WWII?

I am dead serious, I would like to get an answer to this and I am willing to listen to both sides. If someone from the Muslim side can post and give me an explanation of the use of this salute, I would appreciate it.

 

Just to show how pathatic the nazi boy is, he is resorting to his ol selfof using lies.

I havenever said the following quote;

Quote from WAEL012000:
I will not have a problem trusting this StormFront member


To show who the real nazis are;

 

nazi Support of Zionism
True Torah
Jews against zionism
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/antisemitism/nazisupport.cfm

Theodor Herzl (1860-1904), the founder of modern Zionism, recognized that anti-Semitism would further his cause, the creation of a separate state for Jews. To solve the Jewish Question, he maintained [colorred]“we must, above all, make it an international political issue.”[1]Herzl wrote that Zionism offered the world a welcome “final solution of the Jewish question.”[2]In his “Diaries”, page 19, Herzl stated “Anti-Semites will become our surest friends, anti-Semitic countries our allies.”[/color]

51 Documents:

Zionist Collaboration

with the NazisZionism was supported by the German SS and Gestapo.[3] [4] [5] [6] Hitler himself personally supported Zionism.[7] [8] During the 1930’s, in cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some 40 camps throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. As late as 1942 Zionists operated at least one of these officially authorized “Kibbutz” training camps[9] over which flew the blue and white banner which would one day be adopted as the national flag of “Israel”.[10]

The Transfer Agreement (which promoted the emigration of German Jews to Palestine) implemented in 1933 and abandoned at the beginning of WWII is an important example of the cooperation between Hitler’s Germany and international Zionism. [11] Through this agreement, Hitler’s Third Reich did more than any other government during the 1930’s to support Jewish development in Palestine and further the Zionist goals.

Hitler and the Zionists had a common goal: to create a world Jewish Ghetto as a solution to the Jewish Question.

The Transfer AgreementThe Zionist so-called “World Jewish Congress” declared war on the country of Germany,[12] [13] knowing that it would affect their Jewish brothers residing in that country who would be left without protection. When others tried to help them escape to other countries, the Zionist movement took actions which caused those countries to lock their doors to Jewish immigration (read more in the books, “Perfidy” and “Min Hametzer”). As a result of the Zionist influence five ships of Jewish refugees from Germany arriving in the United States were turned back to the gas chambers.

The fundamental aim of the Zionist movement has been not to save Jewish lives but to create a “Jewish state” in Palestine.

On December 7, 1938, Ben Gurion, the first head of the Zionist ‘state of Israel’ declared “If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel.”[14]

On August 31, 1949, Ben Gurion stated: “Although we have realized our dream of creating a Jewish State, we are only at the beginning. There are still only 900,000 Jews in Israel, whereas the majority of the Jewish people still remains abroad. Our future task is to bring all the Jews to Israel.”

Of the two and a half million Jews seeking refuge from the Nazis between 1935 and 1943, less than 9% went to settle in Palestine. The vast majority, 75%, went to the Soviet Union. In the mid-70’s, more people emigrated out of ‘Israel’ than came in. The only surges of immigration to the Zionist state have occurred during anti-Semitic threats and persecution in foreign countries.[15]

It follows that for the Zionist state to achieve its goal of a Jewish world ghetto anti-Semitism must be promoted and encouraged, and as we have seen, by acts of violence if necessary.

“To attain its practical objectives, Zionism hopes it will be able to collaborate with a government that is fundamentally hostile to the Jews”.[16]

The use of anti-Semitism as a tool to coerce immigration to the Zionist state continues to the present day:

Prime Minister Sharon has stated that anti-Semitism is on the rise and that the only hope for the safety of Jews is to move to Israel under the protection of the Zionist state. “The best solution to anti-Semitism is immigration to Israel. It is the only place on Earth where Jews can live as Jews," he said.[17]

Those who continue to call the so-called “state of Israel” the “Jewish State” are not only promoting Zionism which is contrary to the beliefs of true Judaism, but also endorsing the promotion of worldwide anti-Semitism. In doing so they are endangering the lives of traditional Jews and denying their civil liberties and human rights.

When the British foreign secretary, Arthur Balfour (sponsor of the 1905 Aliens Act to restrict Jewish immigration to the UK), wanted the British government to commit itself to a Jewish homeland in Palestine, his declaration was delayed - not by anti-Semites but by leading figures in the British Jewish community. They included a Jewish member of the cabinet who called Balfour's pro-Zionism "anti-Semitic in result". In contrast, a great statesman like Secretary of State Colin Powell, a supporter of traditional Judaism, has the courage to separate Judaism from Zionism and to acknowledge that speaking out against the actions of the Zionist state is not “anti-Semitism”.

We call upon our leaders in Washington to disassociate the actions of the Zionist state from traditional Judaism by no longer referring to “Israel” as the “Jewish State” but as “the Zionist State” and to speak out against the Zionist actions which promote anti-Semitism.

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Bibliography:

“Zionism and the Third Reich”, Author: Mark Weber, The Journal for Historical Review
(http://www.ihr.org), July/August 1993, Volume 13, Number 4, page 29.

Hitlers Zweites Buch – ein Dokument aus dem Jahr 1928, Stuttgart, 1961. English translation: Hitler’s Secret Book, New York, 1961, pp 212-215.

Berlin Encyclopaedia Judaica (New York and Jerusalem: 1971), Vol. 5, p.648.
See also, J.-C. Horak, “Zionist Film Propaganda in Nazi Germany,” Historical Journal of Film, Radio and Television, Vol. 4, No. 1, 1984, pp 49-58.

Perfidy, Author: Ben Hecht, Milah Press, Incorporated; April 1, 1997

Min Hameitzer, Author:Rabbi Weissmandl; The book Unheeded Cry by Abraham Fuchs, is a partial translation.

Holocaust Encyclopedia, “Escape from German Occupied Europe”, http://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/index.php?lang=en&ModuleId=10005470

“Immigration Policies”, Jewish Virtual Library, http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/grobim.html

“The Tragedy of the S.S. St. Louis”, Jewish Virtual Library, http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/stlouis.html

[1] Quoted in: Ingrid Wecker, Feuerzeichen: Die “Reichskristallnacht” (Tubingen: Grabert, 1981), p. 212. See also: Th. Herzl, The Jewish State (New York: Herzl Press, 1970), pp 33, 35, 36, and Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (New York: Macmillan, 1984), p.73

[2] Th. Herzl, “Der Kongress, “ Welt, June 4, 1897. Reprinted in: Theodore Herzls zionistische Schriften (Leon Kellner, ed.), ester Teil, Berlin: Judischer Verlag, 1920, p. 190 (and p.139)

[3] Francis R. Nicosia, The Third Reich and the Palestine Question (1985), pp. 54-55.; Karl A. Schleunes, The Twisted Road to Auschwitz (Urbana: Univ. of Illinois, 1970, 1990) pp. 178-181

[4] Jacob Boas, “A Nazi Travels to Palestine,” History Today (London), January, 1980, pp. 33-38.

[5] Facsimile reprint of front page of Das Schwarze Korp, May 15, 1935, in: Janusz Piekalkiewicz, Israels Langer Arm (Frankfurt: Goverts, 1975), pp. 66-67.

[6] Das Schwarze Korps, Sept. 26, 1935. Quoted in: F. Nicosia, The Third Reich and the Palestine Question (1985), pp. 56-57

[7] F. Nicosia, Third Reich (1985), pp. 141-144; On Hitler’s critical view of Zionism in Mein Kapf, see. Esp. Vol. 1, Chap. 11. Quoted in: Robert Wistrich, Hitler’s Apocalypse (London: 1985), p. 155.;

[8] W. Feilchenfeld, et al., Haavra-Transfer (1972). Entire text in: David Yisraeli, The Palestine Problem in German Politics 1889-1945 (Israel: 1974), pp. 132-136.

[9] Y. Arad, et al., eds., Documents On the Holocaust (1981), p. 155. (The training kibbutz was at Neuendorf, and may have functioned even after March 1942.)

[10] Lucy Dawidowicz, The War Against the Jews, 1933-1945 (New York: Bantam, pb., 1976), pp 253-254; Max Nussbaum, “Zionism Under Hitler,” Congress Weekly (New York: American Jewish Congress), Sept. 11, 1942.; F. Nicosia, The Third Reich (1985), pp 58-60, 217.; Edwin Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), p. 175.

[11] E. Black, The Transfer Agreement (1984), pp. 328, 337.

[12] “Judea Declares War on Germany!” – London Daily Express headline, March 24th, 1933

[13] “The worldwide boycott against Germany in 1933 and the later all-out declaration of war against Germany initiated by the Zionist leaders and the World Jewish Congress enraged Hitler so that he threatened to destroy the Jews…” (Rabbi Schwartz, New York Times, Sept. 30, 1997)

[14] Yvon Gelbner, “Zionist policy and the fate of European Jewry”, in Yad Vashem studies (Jerusalem, vol. XII, p. 199).

[15] Institute for Jewish Affairs of New York, quoted by Christopher Sykes in “Crossroads to Isarl”, London 1965, and by Nathan Weinstock, “Le sionisme contre Israel,” p. 146.

[16] Lucy Dawidovitch, “A Holocaust Reader”, p. 155.

[17] “Sharon Urges Jews to go to Israel”, BBC News, 17 Nov. 2003, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3275979.stm

 

Here is a possible explanation provided by a German historian. It is much closer to the real thing than I actually expected. I don't insist that it's necessarily true so let's wait and see whether our islamofascist friends can come up with a more benign explanation:


Islamic Antisemitism And Its Nazi Roots
by German political scientist Matthias Kuntzel

I would like to point out that the Mufti’s so-called “Arab Revolt” took place against the background of the swastika: Arab leaflets and signs on walls were prominently marked with this Nazi symbol; the youth organization of the Mufti´s political party paraded as “Nazi-scouts”, and Arab children greeted each other with the Nazi salute. Those who had to pass through the rebellious quarters of Palestine attached a flag bearing the swastika to their vehicles so as to insure protection against assaults by the Mufti’s volunteers.
http://www.matthiaskuentzel.de/contents/islamic-antisemitism-and-its-nazi-roots

There is a lengthy discussion about it on this blog but they don't seem to be able to arrive at a definite conclusion (other than the fact that regardless of the salute these Islamofascists undoubtedly want to kill the Jews.)
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/archives/2004/12/20/hezbollah_salutes.php

PS even if there is another explanation, the fact that they did not change the salute knowing full well what it reminds people of speaks volumes of their views and intentions.

 

Exactly, StormFront members are not real nazis to you, you can easily trust them, you actually kissed Spect8or's ass and bashed Islam together (because he hates the jews more and it's good enough for you).

 

Once again for god time sake nazi boy;

Just to show how pathatic this nazi boy dddooo is, he is resorting to his old self of using lies.

I have never said the following quote;

Quote from WAEL012000:
I will not have a problem trusting this StormFront member

You have been exposed for the liar you are. And if you are lying abot me while I am present in this forum, then I wouldn't be surprised that you will lie about ever statement your filthy mouth utters.

 

It only gets worse:

 

Spect8or - a proud member of Stormfront.org

 

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Yeah but were did I say the following zinoliar???

Quote from WAEL012000:
I will not have a problem trusting this StormFront member[/b]

The above quote is forgery. You were caught with another lie dddooo. nazi boy.

As for spect8or, I stand by my word, I would trust 1000,000 of him before I trust one of your type.