Islamic terrorists arrested in New York

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    Feds: NY suspects disappointed couldn't attack WTC
    By JIM FITZGERALD, Associated Press Writer Jim Fitzgerald, Associated Press Writer
    1 hr 15 mins ago

    WHITE PLAINS, N.Y. – Four men arrested after planting what they thought were explosives near two New York City synagogues were disappointed that the World Trade Center wasn't still around to attack, a federal prosecutor said Thursday as the men appeared in court for the first time.

    The suspects were arrested Wednesday night, shortly after planting a 37-pound mock explosive device in the trunk of a car outside the Riverdale Temple and two mock bombs in the backseat of a car outside the Riverdale Jewish Center, another synagogue a few blocks away, authorities said. Police blocked their escape with an 18-wheel truck, smashing their tinted SUV windows and apprehending the unarmed suspects.

    Authorities said the men also plotted to shoot down a military plane.

    James Cromitie, 55; David Williams, 28; Onta Williams, 32; and Laguerre Payen, all of Newburgh, were charged with conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction within the United States and conspiracy to acquire and use anti-aircraft missiles.

    All the suspects except Payen appeared in federal court in White Plains on Thursday, their hands shackled to their waists. Payen was expected to appear in court later Thursday.

    Lawyers for the defendants, all of whom are U.S. citizens, did not seek bail.

    In arguing against bail, Assistant U.S. Attorney Eric Snyder told the judge "it's hard to envision a more chilling plot" and described the men as "extremely violent."

    They were "disappointed...that the best target (the World Trade Center) was hit already," he said, adding that the men were "eager to bring death to Jews." He also said Cromitie wanted to see what he did on TV and be able to say, "I'm the one who did that."

    Earlier, Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly spoke at a news conference outside the Riverdale Jewish Center in the Bronx.

    "They stated that they wanted to commit jihad," Kelly said. "They were disturbed about what happened in Afghanistan and Pakistan, that Muslims were being killed."

    Kelly said he believed the men knew each other through prison. They had long rap sheets for charges including drug possession and assault. During the hearing Cromitie told the judge he had used marijuana on Wednesday but was clear-headed enough to understand the proceedings.

    An official told The Associated Press that three of the men are converts to Islam. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the person was not authorized to discuss details of the investigation.

    Payen, who officials said is of Haitian descent, occasionally attended a Newburgh mosque. His statements on Islam often had to be corrected, according to Assistant Imam Hamin Rashada, who met Payen through a program that helps prisoners re-enter society.

    Acting U.S. Attorney Lev L. Dassin said the defendants planned to shoot Stinger surface-to-air guided missiles at planes at the Air National Guard base in Newburgh, about 70 miles north of New York City.

    The FBI and other agencies monitored the men and provided an inactive missile and inert C-4 to an informant for the defendants.

    The confidential informant who broke the case told Cromitie that he was involved with Jaish-e-Mohammed, a Pakistani terrorist group. It is one of several militant groups suspected of having links to Pakistani intelligence. Jaish set up training camps in Afghanistan under the Taliban and several senior operatives were close to Osama bin Laden.

    Cromitie expressed interest in joining the group to "do jihad," according to a criminal complaint.

    According to state Department of Correctional Services records, Payen was released on parole in August 2005 after serving just more than a year in prison for attempted assault in Rockland County.

    Onta Williams served just more than a year in state prison for attempted criminal possession of a controlled substance in Orange County. He was released on parole in August 2003.

    Cromitie has been in prison at least three times under three different names, prison records show.

    He served two years on a drug sale conviction and was released on parole in 1991. Then, under the name of David Anderson, he spent 2 1/2 years in prison for selling drugs in New York City before being paroled in 1996. Under the name James Crometie, he was convicted of selling drugs in a school zone in 2000 and spent almost four years in prison before being released on parole in 2004.

    Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Kelly met privately with congregants inside the Riverdale Jewish Center Thursday.

    Nancy Harris Rouemy said she was alarmed when she learned the news from a neighbor and definitely paused before dropping off her 4-year-old son at the Riverdale Jewish Center, where he goes to school. "However, the assurance is that the perpetrators were caught and my son wouldn't be in danger," she said.

    "It is so upsetting," agreed her husband, Isaac. "If it was an actual bomb, it would be a disaster. It's not just a synagogue. It's a school and there are senior citizens who come here too."

    The arrests came after a nearly yearlong undercover operation that began in Newburgh. The defendants bought a digital camera at Wal-Mart to take pictures of targets, they spoke in code, and they expressed their hatred of Jews on several occasions, according to a criminal complaint.

    In June 2008, the informant, who was acting under law enforcement supervision, met Cromitie in Newburgh and Cromitie complained that his parents had lived in Afghanistan and he was upset about the war there and that many Muslim people were being killed in Afghanistan and Pakistan by U.S. military forces, officials said.

    Cromitie also expressed an interest in doing "something to America," they said in the complaint.

    In October 2008, the informant began meeting with the defendants at a Newburgh house equipped with concealed video and audio equipment, the complaint said.

    Beginning in April 2009, the four men selected the synagogues they intended to hit, it said. They also conducted surveillance of military planes at the Air National Guard Base, it said.

    Nihad Awad, national executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, issued a statement praising law enforcers "for their efforts in helping to prevent any harm to either Jewish institutions or to our nation's military."

    "We repeat the American Muslim community's repudiation of bias-motivated crimes and of anyone who would falsely claim religious justification for violent actions," the statement said.


    Associated Press writers Devlin Barrett in Washington, Michael Hill in Newburgh, N.Y., and Jim Fitzgerald in White Plains, N.Y., contributed to this report.

    (This version CORRECTS UPDATES with court hearing, including appearances by 3 of 4 defendants, their ages, all U.S. citizens, appearing in shackles, other details; corrects quote attributed to Nancy Rouemy. Multimedia: A pdf of the criminal complaint against the accused temple bombing conspirators is in the _documents folder slugged temple_bomb_complaint.pdf. AP Video.)
    #11     May 21, 2009
  2. Tresor


    Do yourself a favour and read my lips: it's not about identifying an informant. It may be about placing (protecting the real informant at expense of an non-informant) in the mosque.''
    #12     May 21, 2009
  3. Tresor


    You really are obsessed with the Jewish media, where the owner of the media matters NOT.

    The newspaper might have been owned by an Arab or a German or a Marsian. It is a common practice that authorities co-operate with media to sell some fake information within a real story or a half-real story.

    I know how it works, because I worked in the media business, although I was not a journalist.

    Whenever the authorities ''asked'' us (i) to reveal the time when the investigation against any criminal group began and (ii) to reveal that an informant was involved, then it for sure was a fake story to protect the real or more valuable informant at the expense of the person who was unwilling to co-operate.

    Now use your brain for Christ's sake!
    #13     May 21, 2009
  4. And 16 of the 19 hijackers from 9/11 were
    Saudi Nationals but Dumbya decided to invade Iraq.

    How does that make any sense, Genius???
    #14     May 21, 2009
  5. Tom B

    Tom B

    Keep digging. Your comments are reinforcing my original statement.
    #15     May 21, 2009
  6. TGregg


    They don't call it the Religion of Pieces for nothing:

    <p><a href="">
    <img border="0" alt="Thousands of Deadly Islamic Terror Attacks Since 9/11" src=""> </a></p>
    #16     May 21, 2009
  7. Tom B

    Tom B

    So are you inferring that we should have invaded Saudi Arabia? We went after Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan.

    BTW, how did you, a Republican of 28 years, become a flaming left-wing liberal?
    #17     May 21, 2009
  8. <b>"Several of the suspects have previously been arrested on drug charges and may have converted to Islam in prison, authorities said."</b>

    #18     May 21, 2009
  9. This is all contrived by Obama. There are always a number of FBI investigations going on. Obama needed some cover from all the heat Cheney was putting on him.
    With help from Eric"The pardon man" Holder a few phone calls were made to bring charges and get headlines.
    #19     May 21, 2009
  10. Tresor


    No, he meant you shouldn't have invaded Iraq.

    Tom B, Please think:

    Isn't it strange that whenever US invades any country it always fails to achieve the goals that US authorities presented to US public?

    Did US army find weapons of mass destructure in Iraq? Of course not. Why not? Because it was a fake reason.

    What did US achieve in Iraq? It destabilized the country. US succeeded in awaking terrorists that were interested in separatism.

    Did US - as you were told by the media - went after Al Qaeda and the Taliban in Afghanistan? Of course not. Al Qaeda and Talibans are even stronger than before.

    What did US achieve in Afghanistan? Talibans once regarded as animals are perceived now as defenders of freedom in the region :mad:

    What else did US achieve? US is becoming successful in a destroying of Pakistan's integrity. This country will be divided into separate countries in a few years. It pisses off people of Pakistan and of course it pisses off China.

    Dividing countries of the region into smaller units seems a more rational reason for invading Iraq and Afghanistan than the desire to chase a few guys on camels.

    This war on terror is not about Al Qaeda. Do you think that US army is so unprofessional that it can't catch a few guys with towels on their heads?
    #20     May 21, 2009